What punishment should this nurse get? - page 2

Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion. One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator... Read More

  1. by   madwife2002
    Oh my god just listen to yourselves. I hope you all never make a mistake and are on trial for it. If like You say it was a one off and an accident then can we not just give her benefit of the doubt an put it down to experience. I am sure she is beating herself up about this and will probably be punishment enough.
  2. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    What responsiblity will the hospital have if the next time she falls asleep harm comes to one of her pts? What if the next time, someone dies? The hospital would surely be at fault for letting someone like this continue to care for pts.
    That's why i think she should get fired.
  3. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from madwife2002
    Oh my god just listen to yourselves. I hope you all never make a mistake and are on trial for it. If like You say it was a one off and an accident then can we not just give her benefit of the doubt an put it down to experience. I am sure she is beating herself up about this and will probably be punishment enough.
    Is it punishment enough? What if the next time she fell asleep, it was while watching your critically ill child or spouse? What if you found out that she had done it before, and just because nothing happend to the pt the first time, they let it slide? I worked nights for years, and I never fell asleep. Mistakes are one thing, but sleeping is always unacceptable, not to mention incredibly unprofessional.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from madwife2002
    Oh my god just listen to yourselves. I hope you all never make a mistake and are on trial for it. If like You say it was a one off and an accident then can we not just give her benefit of the doubt an put it down to experience. I am sure she is beating herself up about this and will probably be punishment enough.
    I'm listening (reading) loud and clear.

    I would expect that if i'm charged with neglect, or any other "mistake", that i should get the appropriate punishment if proven that i did it.

    IF my family member dies as a result of neglect, i will not see is as "an experience."
  5. by   Brotherbob
    Let the one who has never made a mistake throw the first stone.
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Nothing bad happened as a result THIS time, but who is willing to take the risk for NEXT time?
  7. by   madwife2002
    I have 17 years of experience I manage a ward and have responsibility for 25 members of staff and I have never known a patient to loose their life because a nurse nodded off. I agree that it is not acceptable for a nurse to fall asleep on duty correct me if I am wrong but if a ventilated patient arrested would the alarm not sound on the machine. If this was brought to me to deal with I would not recommend this nurse be disciplined unless there were other problems with her practice.
  8. by   Suninmyheart
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    That's why i think she should get fired.
    Yikes! Does that mean ANY error that could have been dangerous calls for a dismissal. Your reasoning could apply to almost any type error.:uhoh21:
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The hospital would surely be at fault for letting someone like this continue to care for pts.
    And this is where part of my opinion comes from, not to mention my state board's website.

    Not matter what the nurse's reasons were or that no one was hurt (this time), it IS neglect.
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from suninmyeyes
    Yikes! Does that mean ANY error that could have been dangerous calls for a dismissal. Your reasoning could apply to almost any type error.:uhoh21:
    It could, depending on the situation(s)! In this particular situation, my facility would see this as neglect (we've had it happen before), and i agree with it.
  11. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Brotherbob
    Let the one who has never made a mistake throw the first stone.
    Gosh, there is making a mistake, and there is sleeping on the job!
    If you are not able to stay awake during your shift, then you should not be working! Your responsibility is to be a safe practioner to your pts. If the night is too hard to work, then speak up to your boss and get traded to days. Gees, imagine being the agitated pt: Imagine looking over and seeing your nurse asleep!! And, BTW, this wasn't a little nap-this was a 2 hour nap! Someone had to wake her up! Totally and completely unacceptable...
  12. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from madwife2002
    I have 17 years of experience I manage a ward and have responsibility for 25 members of staff and I have never known a patient to loose their life because a nurse nodded off.
    So because you have never seen it, that means that harm to a pt as a result of sleeping can never happen??? Now that's faulty reasoning....
  13. by   bbrobozio
    I'm really surprised by some of the extreme views regarding this situation. They also make me VERY thankful I work where I do. I don't see how a punitive "punishment" would solve anything at all here. If she is an excellent nurse, then she messed up, and that's it. I guess you can write her up and put it in her file, but firing her? I like what another post said, why do we find it so difficult to take care of eachother? Why is it about firing her, her losing her license, etc? I just think its ridiculous that a person can make one mistake where no one was hurt, and her job is in jeopardy. Again, I really appreciate my situation, this would never happen.

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