What Is the Problem With These Nurses? - page 4

I've always thought the "nurses eating their young" phenomenon was somewhat of a misnomer, since we're not their children and I know students can impose a lot of burdens on nurses. But, when you're... Read More

  1. by   TrudyRN
    I think we all have a responsibility to speak up when we are maltreated. We can do this in a calm, courteous way but we do need to do it. We need to let people know how their stinking attitudes, their cruelty, their bringing their personal troubles to work affects us.

    As a student, you have to be careful. And no matter how nice you are, some people will get angry and will misquote you.

    But you can let the critics know what you said originally, OP. That it makes you feel like you shouldn't even bother to try to please.
  2. by   snowfreeze
    I have been a nurse for 15 years now and I still find in new positions for me there are bullies, people who don't know a bit and try to pretend they can do their job. I am sure they exist in all jobs but when we are responsible for peoples lives it is a bit more stressful working with that type of person.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from TrudyRN
    As a student, you have to be careful. And no matter how nice you are, some people will get angry and will misquote you.
    Yeah. I noticed you said something very similar on another thread ... basically, trust no one. And believe me, I don't.

    I can't prove it, of course, but I suspect that another student ... who tends to be very competitive ... may have said something to my preceptor. Who knows what but, of course, she's sweet as can be to me ... which kinda makes me suspicious.

    I've never said anything to this student ... nothing. But, of course, that doesn't prevent people from making stuff up.

    Isn't nursing fun? Although, quite frankly, this stuff can happen at any job. It's amazing how people get into major fights over stuff that never happened.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 30, '06
  5. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from Mulan
    You'll find that as a new employee also. Some old fossils have worked at the same place so long, (it may be the only place they have ever worked) that they have no concept that there may be other ways of doing things.

    They really ought to get out more. :roll
    I really, really resent the "old fossil" remark. That is so offensive. If you are seeing experienced nurses as "old fossils," then that tells me all I need to know about why you have problems with some of your co-workers.

    I don't precept students anymore. It's a lose:lose proposition, and I am frankly sick of reading these types of comments. I used to take my time and really try to teach. Apparently, nothing is ever good enough for some of you. On top of that, to know that many of you regard me and my experienced co-workers as worthless "fossils"...obviously you don't need our help, you already know it all.
  6. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from lizz
    I guess that's my complaint here. I can understand that when you're dealing with first semester students, just as an example ... it is a real hassle to deal with students because they don't know anything and the RN has to be with them all the time.

    But by the time we get to preceptorship, the RN doesn't have to be with us at all. We've been signed off on everything and, before we go to preceptorship, we have to get signed off on several tasks again ... just to make sure we can do it.

    There's very little we can't do as far as routine med surg floor tasks. The RN does not have to be with us unless it's something we literally have no experience with, which doesn't happen all that often with routine med surg tasks.

    So, it's really not that much of a hassle for us to be there except ... teaching us the quirks of that particular facility's system and equipment. My RN has never gone into any room to watch me do anything. You are, at that point doing most of the work because that's what you have to do to pass.

    But sometimes, I guess, it's just more fun to be mean than nice ... even when people are helping you out.

    :typing
    And this is where you have no clue what it's like to actually be the nurse with the license. You may think you're doing "80% of the work," but the nurse who is precepting you is still responsible for what you do. That is extra work. You don't know that yet, because you haven't been in that situation.
  7. by   GardenDove
    There is a technique called 'mobbing' which is basically what junior high school girls do all the time. You can end up on a unit that supports this culture. Evening shift on Med-Surg where I work is dominated by this immature attitude, and will ostrasize those who don't buy into it's negativity. The Unit Secretary is the lynchpin, and she and one of the CNA's socialize outside of work a good deal. Anyone who challanges her bad work ethic, such as requiring her to redo orders, properly checking her work before signing off orders, etc and so forth, is subject to her wrath. She also controls a few of the younger nurses. It's a very unhealthy situation. I float there from CCU for the second half of evening shifts (I work 12 hour nights). It's like going back to Jr High.
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Mulan
    Unfortunately, I have seen that some new nurses get paired with a preceptor that has an attitude and they become (or maybe they were like that to begin with?) just as nasty as the one that is precepting them.
    Interesting. I remember in one of the orientations I had for a job with one of the hosptials that the security guy kept telling us over and over: behavior breeds behavior.

    If you react with hostility in a security situation then, the other person is going to increase their hostility also. But if you're calm, it's more likely that they'll become calm.

    I guess the "behavior breeds behavior" phenomenon applies to employee relations as well.

    :typing
  9. by   Freedom42
    Mobbing: another good theory. I've seen that behavior, and that's hardly limited to nurses or hospitals. What's really at issue here is why women of any kind, regardless of profession, feel the need to lash out at each other. One of my nursing text books refers to it as "horizontal violence." That's apt.
  10. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from Freedom42
    Mobbing: another good theory. I've seen that behavior, and that's hardly limited to nurses or hospitals. What's really at issue here is why women of any kind, regardless of profession, feel the need to lash out at each other. One of my nursing text books refers to it as "horizontal violence." That's apt.
    Yes I agree,its what we do when we cant lash out at the people who really need a lashing, we have become the pawn of the corporate management, I can just hear them now " Yeah, lets keep them fighting each other, then they wont notice how bad it is and fight us!"Remember united we stand , divided we fall. Simplistic, but TRUE.
  11. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Freedom42
    Mobbing: another good theory. I've seen that behavior, and that's hardly limited to nurses or hospitals. What's really at issue here is why women of any kind, regardless of profession, feel the need to lash out at each other. One of my nursing text books refers to it as "horizontal violence." That's apt.
    My theory? And I say this as a woman ... hormones. And, the fact that it's sometimes more fun to be mean than nice.

    Men just duke it out, get it over with and move on. They don't hold grudges like women do.

    :typing
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from lizz
    My theory? And I say this as a woman ... hormones. And, the fact that it's sometimes more fun to be mean than nice.

    Men just duke it out, get it over with and move on. They don't hold grudges like women do.

    :typing
    Whoa, you are scaring me .Maybe we should not allow entrance into the nursing field unless you are a male, or post menopausal.
  13. by   Sylv
    Quote from ingelein
    Yes I agree,its what we do when we cant lash out at the people who really need a lashing, we have become the pawn of the corporate management, I can just hear them now " Yeah, lets keep them fighting each other, then they wont notice how bad it is and fight us!"Remember united we stand , divided we fall. Simplistic, but TRUE.

    Very true.

    Sylvester

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