What are you worth in pay? - page 3

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  1. by   Charles S. Smith, RN, MS
    Originally posted by nurs4kids:
    <STRONG>You've got to be kidding with this 50,000.00 a year crap!! Are you people lab rats?!?! Working fulltime at pizza hut in nursing school in Birmingham, AL, 1993 I made $35,000.00.

    I seriously doubt you made 35k @ pizza hut, nurseX. If you DID, you were working salary and if you figured in the hours you worked, you probably made about 2-3bucks/hour. If you delivered, after you deduct $10k for the wear and tear on your vehicle, you made $25k. We have to be realistic in what we ask for or we will NEVER get close to what we deserve.</STRONG>
    What are you worth? What do you think you are worth to the mother who knows that you have to make life or death decisons for her child? What do you think you are worth to the families who go home at night knowing that the only person who comes between their family member and death is the nurse? Do you think MDs are worth more? The nurse is the safety net for the patient, for the family, for the MD and for the hospital. Please look at your true value and worth and see if what you earn is equivalent. I doubt it.

    chas
  2. by   Jenny P
    I can not believe that we value our own work so little that nurses don't think they should be paid $60,000-$90,000/year. Did you know that a beginning violinist for the local symphony orchestra gets paid $62,700 base pay here? Or that an inspector for the baggage handlers gets paid $61,000 their first year? These were in the local paper this week. How much does your garbage collector get? In all probability, probably more than the nurses in your local community. Why shouldn't nurses get paid at least as much as a beginning violinist? Or an engineer? Fergus, you say that MD's and nursing salaries are regulated in your area. What are some of your other local salaries? There are areas where salaries are depressed, even here in the US. I understand that. But when you look around and see that others may have decent salaries and the nurses in your area do not; what message does that send to the public? Think about it. Is life such a meaningless thing in this society that our work of caring for and saving lives should not be compensated fairly? I do not think that $60,000 or $90,000 is an unfair wage in the metro area I live in. It would be different if I lived in a place where the cost of living was lower, but I would like to be able to afford to continue to live here and work in a hospital that is fully staffed with nurses who are happy about the work they are doing and are fairly compensated for their work.
  3. by   nurs4kids
    You've got to be kidding with this 50,000.00 a year crap!! Are you people lab rats?!?! Working fulltime at pizza hut in nursing school in Birmingham, AL, 1993 I made $35,000.00.

    I seriously doubt you made 35k @ pizza hut, nurseX. If you DID, you were working salary and if you figured in the hours you worked, you probably made about 2-3bucks/hour. If you delivered, after you deduct $10k for the wear and tear on your vehicle, you made $25k. We have to be realistic in what we ask for or we will NEVER get close to what we deserve.
  4. by   nurs4kids
    When I graduated nursing school in '95, the starting salary here for a RN was $30k. It hasn't grown very much since. So, yes, 50K to START as SusyK said would be nice. Chas, you also have to look at the cost of living for the particular area concerned. Here $50k is a pretty darn good starting salary for a new grad in any field. Soooooo, to answer your question. No, I think I'm worth $100K/year, but I'm sure the guy in housekeeping, who gets to "play" in all the nasty junk we dispose of, thinks he's worth more than $20k/year too! I'm not greedy, I just want enough to be happy.
  5. by   Charles S. Smith, RN, MS
    Originally posted by nurs4kids:
    <STRONG>When I graduated nursing school in '95, the starting salary here for a RN was $30k. It hasn't grown very much since. So, yes, 50K to START as SusyK said would be nice. Chas, you also have to look at the cost of living for the particular area concerned. Here $50k is a pretty darn good starting salary for a new grad in any field. Soooooo, to answer your question. No, I think I'm worth $100K/year, but I'm sure the guy in housekeeping, who gets to "play" in all the nasty junk we dispose of, thinks he's worth more than $20k/year too! I'm not greedy, I just want enough to be happy. </STRONG>
    I couldn't agree more about the cost of living issue.. remember the laws of supply and demand and market elasticity for certain services. For me that is a given. What is not a given is the feeling that earning a real living is somehow "dirty". Wouldnt it be so much better somehow to work to live rather than live to work? Greed really isn't in the equation at all....

    regards
    chas
  6. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by Jenny P:
    <STRONG>Why shouldn't nurses get paid at least as much as a beginning violinist? Or an engineer? Fergus, you say that MD's and nursing salaries are regulated in your area. What are some of your other local salaries? </STRONG>
    Both salaries are regulated because we are paid by the gov't. I agree that nurses salaries are not good enough. A starting nurse can expect to make about 40K a year (28K US$ or so). The highest paid nurses don't even make 40K US a year. Our hourly wage goes from 21-26$ canadian. Other professions such as library worker (18 an hour) and liquor store cashier (18 an hour) are obviously not as demanding as nursing. Policemen make about 70K (about 5o american) after few years and if nurses made that I would be satisfied for a while. I am not going to fool myself into thinking that we will get a 200% raise. It just isn't going to happen.

    ps
    The violinist gets paid so much because of supply and demand. How many violinists do you know these days? I think they're even rarer than nurses...
  7. by   Huganurse
    Since I started this thread and I know there are alot more opinions on this I thought I'd revive this topic. Also, I never said what I think I should be paid. $52,000 to $80,0000 a year seems fair to me based on education and what we do! I think if they paid us on this scale we wouldn't have a shortage right now. But hey that's just my opinion. I know I do this for many more reasons than the money and who doesn't but the higher pay would probably deter me from thinking about what else I could be doing for a living.
  8. by   lommatzsch
    With the revolving door we have been experiencing on our unit I feel nurses should be compensated for " sticking with their unit". Except for one other nurse on my floor I am considered the most experienced ( even I have only been here 5 years ). The rest of the staff consists of nurses that have worked less than 2 years on our floor. This adds to your stress level because you end up orienting all the oncoming staff and doing Charge. On my unit it is not unusual to be in Charge, With patients AND an orientee to watch over. Now that's stress and deserves compensation.
  9. by   PhantomRN
    I think I am worth at LEAST 100,000 a year. Period. I also like the idea mentioned above of quitting and coming back in 6 months to get the hire on bonus, but dont forget wherever one would go you would also get a hire on bonus there......hummmmmmmm
  10. by   TeenyBabyRN
    I realize that some nurses get a little "edgy" when issues of demanding higher pay come up, but I, for one, have no problem saying that I provide a service, which I paid a lot of money to be trained to provide. If you want my service, but want to pay me in lima beans (which is about all I could afford to buy on some RN salaries I've seen posted), I'm sorry, but you will need to find someone else to provide the service for lima beans. Meanwhile, I will go find someone else who needs my service and is willing to pay me in dollars at my asking rate. Who do you think will find who they're looking for first?
    This is simple economics: supply and demand.
    Over the last 10 yrs, RN salaries have hardly increased at all. The majority of other professions have increased by at least $10K over a 10 yr. period. I think it's time for nurses to catch up. (Heck, how about some back pay for taking so long!)
  11. by   mustangsheba
    Here I go nagging again! One of the things we need to do even if we do not become contractors is to have our own medical insurance and retirement programs INDEPENDENT of our employers, whoever they may be. There are almost three million nurses in the U.S. alone. We should be able to bargain for wages alone. Cuz we would have our own bennies without the blessing of our employers, thank you very much.
  12. by   kbrn2002
    Wow! Lively discussion, but no matter how you cut it health care staff(from nursing to dietary to housekeeping and laundry-we all keep the place running way more than the desk jockey administative staff)need to be recognized with better pay, decent benefits and tolerable staffing levels. Do I see us getting it any time soon? Unfortunately not. I've been working in a nursing home for 8 years, first as a CNA then as a Nurse Tech (I'm an RN student in my last year), and every time I think the staffing can't get any worse it does. The work load has increased incredibly and the pay has not kept up. Our highest paid floor RN is getting less than $17.00/hr. after 18 years with the company, new hires are getting around $15.00. The average cost per day to each resident is $140.00. That's over $51,000 a year each resident pays for what I know to be substandard care, and I don't care how much corporate screams "overhead costs and poor medicare compensation" I guarentee what the company pays it's vital staff is a small percentage of their net profit. We need to ask where the money is going if not to us.
  13. by   Norbert Holz
    Let's look at how much it costs to live in the middle class and deduce a fair wage from that figure.

    Automobile 1000 / month
    Health insurance 600 / month
    Home 1500 / month
    Education 100 / month
    Food 250/ month
    taxes 700 / month
    clothing personal items ect 200 / month
    entertainment 200 / month
    retirement 500/ month

    Monthly Total 5050 / Month
    X 12 Months

    Annual total 60, 600 / per year

    This figure could be adjusted for local economic conditions. The variance would be about 10% up or down to be fair.

    The average nurses salary is alleged to be around 40K / year meaning a "professional" nurse needs to have a second job, spouse, or simply live below the "middle class standard of living.

    Please feel free to challange my estimates. Please let me know what you all think about this!

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