we've been having heated - but not yet angry - discussions - page 11

regarding the provision of medical services to undocumented residents - illegal aliens. As students, we've had the opportunity this semester to have clinical experiences that include being with... Read More

  1. by   unknown99
    Quote from Alnamvet
    I volunteer care at a clinic staffed by volunteers who care for "illegals" who work for low wages, AND, have taxes and other levies taken out of their meager earnings. These workers do not benefit from the taxes taken out of their earnings...someone is...but not them. As far as I'm concerned, they have already paid a hefty premium for the services some of you think they get for free. ALL people who are in this country deserve the very best care possible, whether it be paid for by insurance companies, paid by hospitals who chalk it up to cost of doing business, or just plain for free. I don't distinguish a patient by his ability, or lack there of, to pay, or whether he or she is a citizen, a documented alien, or an illegal alien...I just don't care, and THAT's what is lacking in some of you so-called nurses, who don't see a fellow human being, but a person(s) perhaps not much to your liking...whether it be ethnic, social, economic, racial, citizen, non-citizen, un-documented, some of you forget that they are humans, and that's what nurses are here for...to treat and help human beings! :angryfire

    Viva la raza!!!

    YEAH!!!!! Now that's what I'm talking about!!!! Agree 100%!!!!!
  2. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    By Alnamvet
    I volunteer care at a clinic staffed by volunteers who care for "illegals" who work for low wages, AND, have taxes and other levies taken out of their meager earnings.
    How do they tax them without an SSN??

    The 15% social security must be matched by the employer if it's taken out also.

    They are taking "illegals" to a whole new level and commiting a federal offense.

    Of course, if they would become citizens there would be no opportunity to use them for tax fraud.
  3. by   mattsmom81
    I just don't agree with the current 'get something for nothing' practices in our welfare and social systems. It begets nothing good for people to be given something without any responsibility in return, in my experience. We all come from different backgrounds and experiences and our beliefs spring from that. I cannot in good faith support a liberal Democrat because that party has established our current socialist system and caters to votes from the have nots and willnots to keep their power.

    Those of you who wish to volunteer your time to nursing care for the huddled masses, just go ahead. BUT do not dare tell me that I don't deserve to be a nurse because I choose not to. I'm not Mother Theresa and being deity on earth has never been a requirement to become a nurse.

    Some very small minds on this thread, IMO. I don't care to remain. Have fun.
  4. by   unknown99
    Quote from mattsmom81

    Some very small minds on this thread, IMO. I don't care to remain. Have fun.

    I do not think it is necessary to resort to "name-calling" to try to get your point across. The fact is, people, no matter what their situation, deserves health care. Enough said.
  5. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    [QUOTE=sagarcia210]The fact is, people, no matter what their situation, deserves health care. QUOTE]

    The problem is that not everyone is getting it, and yes i will say that it infuriates me that we have a state-funded healthcare program (in my town here) that caters to a specific ethnicity of pregnant women, but i can't even go to the free clinic when i have pneumonia, because i "make too much according to their scale" (anything over 11,000 is considered too much by the county, and i barely make over that. But i make TOO much MONEY?? Bull****!).

    So yes i am beyond peeved because i'm paying taxes for crap i can't use, even though i AM in need. And it ticks me off (about that local program) that an illegal resident of this country has access to healthcare because of where she came from, and having her 6th kid, all expenses paid by guess who.

    This does not make me prejudiced or racist (or small minded), this makes me fed up for working 2 jobs to pay the bills, paying my own tuition, going to school, and STILL can't get antibiotics without going to the ER, and KNOWING that there are plenty of people in the same situation, barely making ends meet, and in the process being told that they don't qualify for any sort of assistance.
  6. by   teeituptom
    Paying Taxes in this country is a right and a privilege

    Just lets use them for something other than bushies war
  7. by   Energizer Bunny
    [QUOTE=LPN2Be2004]
    Quote from sagarcia210
    The fact is, people, no matter what their situation, deserves health care. QUOTE]

    The problem is that not everyone is getting it, and yes i will say that it infuriates me that we have a state-funded healthcare program (in my town here) that caters to a specific ethnicity of pregnant women, but i can't even go to the free clinic when i have pneumonia, because i "make too much according to their scale" (anything over 11,000 is considered too much by the county, and i barely make over that. But i make TOO much MONEY?? Bull****!).

    So yes i am beyond peeved because i'm paying taxes for crap i can't use, even though i AM in need. And it ticks me off (about that local program) that an illegal resident of this country has access to healthcare because of where she came from, and having her 6th kid, all expenses paid by guess who.

    This does not make me prejudiced or racist (or small minded), this makes me fed up for working 2 jobs to pay the bills, paying my own tuition, going to school, and STILL can't get antibiotics without going to the ER, and KNOWING that there are plenty of people in the same situation, barely making ends meet, and in the process being told that they don't qualify for any sort of assistance.
    FABULOUS post all around!!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!!

    While I am willing and able to see all sides of this debate I am fed up with being unable to get the help that my family needs to survive as well.

    AND, I would NEVER refuse to treat an illegal alien or treat them any differently than anyone else, though I have not been put into that situation yet. It will be my job.

    Again, Marie...I loved your post!
  8. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from sagarcia210
    I do not think it is necessary to resort to "name-calling" to try to get your point across. The fact is, people, no matter what their situation, deserves health care. Enough said.
    I don't think anyone is saying that they don't deserve healthcare, but I myself am disagreeing with people coming in to our country JUST to get free healthcare for whatever reason. I can't get free healthcare for my family, so why should people just coming here specifically to do just that get it? It makes no rational sense.
  9. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from teeituptom
    Paying Taxes in this country is a right and a privilege

    Just lets use them for something other than bushies war
    Amen to that!
  10. by   zenman
    Posted by teeituptom: And where is Ted Kennedy when we need him
    Hopefully not driving across a bridge somewhere. Just couldn't resist; the devil made me do it!
  11. by   eak16
    wow- I have been watching this board for a while, and it is really starting to scare me. People are people, who all feel pain and who all want to have a good life for their families. I dont care where people are from or how they got here. The fact is those of us who were born in America basically won the genetic lottery. Its not like we did something great to deserve to be born here, it was just good luck compared with comparatively crappy luck for a guy who got born in an alley in Tijuana. i dont know about you, but I dont look down on people who didn't win the genetic lottery. Bickering over politics is childish when there are people who need help.
  12. by   Tweety
    Nevermind. Sorry. Carry on.
  13. by   MryRose
    Quote from eak16
    wow- I have been watching this board for a while, and it is really starting to scare me. People are people, who all feel pain and who all want to have a good life for their families. I dont care where people are from or how they got here. The fact is those of us who were born in America basically won the genetic lottery. Its not like we did something great to deserve to be born here, it was just good luck compared with comparatively crappy luck for a guy who got born in an alley in Tijuana. i dont know about you, but I dont look down on people who didn't win the genetic lottery. Bickering over politics is childish when there are people who need help.


    We are but a little patch on this planet....we cannot support everyone.

    Anyone who needs emergent care should be taken care of, citizens and vistors alike.

    Our Seniors are struggling and that situation will continue to worsen as the Babyboomers age... how can we justify allowing more people in who cannot support themselves?

    Let those who are here and who can support themselves fully stay and have citizenship. Allow work visas for those who can secure jobs. But the line has to be drawn somewhere.

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