Venting about a new CNA...this is really, really long! - page 2

We have a new CNA that just started working night shift and she is going to drive me crazy. In the first place, she has been there for a total of five days and she is an expert on every resident in... Read More

  1. by   irmaRN
    hang in there...believe me, if enough people complain about her, she wont be there long... but make sure everything is documented or else it means nothing! and make sure other co workers are willing to document as well.
  2. by   santhony44
    Quote from ear
    Well, a couple of things here.

    1. Insubordination? She is doing things that you have directly informed her not to do, and are inappropriate.

    2. Resident harm? She repositioned everyone back to the side that you just turned them from? That could cause major breakdown problems. Not to mention residents rights? Treating them with dignitiy? Why would they need to be turned when you just turned them? And why was she playing games with you through them??

    ~ear
    :yeahthat:

    I agree completely. She is not only annoying, she did a couple of things that you specifically told her not to do. That's insubordination.

    Asking you who in the police department you were sleeping with? Yes, I think that could come under sexual harrassment.

    No matter how badly your facility needs CNA's, this one needs to go ASAP. She is not teachable, IMHO, and will not change nor improve, in part because nothing that happens to her is ever her fault. She also has no problem with being dishonest, since she knows she's getting food stamps for children who don't live with her.

    While she's still there, I'd watch her very carefully. I've seen people like this who would do things to "set up" another staff member in order to make themselves look good. Plus, if your boss is not receptive to getting rid of her, I'd generate lots of pieces of paper to document every little thing she does.

    And keep copies for myself.

    The last facility not only wouldn't hire her as a CNA, they probably had a party after she left!
  3. by   gauge14iv
    I can't stress this enough -

    Document, Document, Document, Document, Document, Document

    Write down every little thing. They can't fire her without documentation. The state can't do anything to eventually pull a CNA certificate without documentation.

    Turn copies in to your supervisor, keep a copy for yourself - someplace where she can't get to it.
  4. by   Pepper The Cat
    I worked with someone like that. She thought she knew the patients better than anyone. She even told one problem family that she was the only one who knew how to care for their loved one correctly! Unfortunately, management liked her because she could talk well and on the surface seemed very good - it was only after working with her for several shifts that you would realize this girl wasn't what she appeared! Another RN and I actually got repremanded because we tried to tell her that everyone worked hard, etc. We were accussed of "bullying" her. One of her "bright" ideas to make work better was she thought we should tie baggies over the trachs to collect secretions, instead of having to clean the pts when their secretions got too much!:uhoh21: Luckily, she only mentioned this,- never did it!
    She's gone on to another hospital now, good for us, bad for them!
  5. by   truern
    Quote from luvkitties
    I do have to agree with her when she said it's her responsibility to see if everyone's dry and repo'd. Not intending to judge you or your work here...I'm not sure what your facility policy is, but the nurses weren't expected to do the typical CNA work at my old facility, and if someone was found to NOT be dry or repo'd, guess who took the heat?
    But Cotjockey was the CHARGE nurse.
  6. by   meownsmile
    LOL,, so many things come to mind with this gal. Is she scheduled for shoulder surgery any time soon? She'll probly need it with all the back patting she is giving herself. It only took about 1 paragraph to know the REAL reason she isnt at the other facility. The partying probly lasted several weeks after she left!

    Just cover your butt and when given enough rope she'll hang herself.
  7. by   luvkitties
    Quote from truern
    But Cotjockey was the CHARGE nurse.
    Yes; however, as we all know, a CNA still has a certain responsibility to check the elimination and repo status of his/her patients/residents. Although I don't agree with anything else this particular CNA said/did, I tend to be a little more lienient with this statement. To explain this using a different scenario, let's say another nurse, for one reason or another, said they gave your patient his/her noon meds...would you accept that statement without checking it, or would you go back and verify the charting, follow-up with the patient, etc.? Not meaning to argue here , but just trying to validate my point. :wink2:
    Like I said before, if someone isn't changed/repo'd/whatever, and it is something within the CNA's scope of practice, the CNA will be the one to take the heat. It's one thing to go back and check to see if they were dry and repo'd; it's another to actually repo them back to where they were...in which I think the CNA should be written up for that.

    Wait...just re-read your post...were you implying that since cotjockey was the Charge, she would take the heat if they were soiled/unrepo'd? I'm not sure how to interpret what you mean.
    ~Lori
    Last edit by luvkitties on Sep 9, '06
  8. by   judyblueeyes
    Sounds like a narcissistic personality disorder or Nightingale Syndrome (I made that one up - LOL) or something. Be sure to document objectively. I know our facility requires quite a stack of paperwork to make 'employment changes'.
  9. by   flashpoint
    I can see the point about her taking the heat if someone isn't dry or repositioned, but usually, I made rounds with the CNA...sometimes I skip 0200 rounds because I am charting or something like that, but more often than not, I am right there with the CNA every two hours. She actually does give good care...she needs to quit gagging every time someone has a BM, but, she gives good care.

    I took care of her a few times when I worked in the ER, so I know she has some issues...I don't want to squash her spirit or anything, but I'm pretty sure we are going to have to set some limits with her...either that or I am going to bite off her nose...
  10. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Nightingale Syndrome lol
  11. by   flashpoint
    Nightingale Syndrome is real...I know it is!
  12. by   neygray
    There truly is Nightingale Syndrome and it sounds like cotjockey's CNA:

    "Florence Nightingale Syndrome is also used to refer to a constant and uncontrolled desire to protect and alter the lives of others, often without regard to whether one possesses either the right, or indeed the ability to do so. The feeling of providing help reinforces within the individual a feeling of power, and thus provides for the basic need to feel wanted and loved."
  13. by   banditrn
    Quote from neygray
    There truly is Nightingale Syndrome and it sounds like cotjockey's CNA:

    "Florence Nightingale Syndrome is also used to refer to a constant and uncontrolled desire to protect and alter the lives of others, often without regard to whether one possesses either the right, or indeed the ability to do so. The feeling of providing help reinforces within the individual a feeling of power, and thus provides for the basic need to feel wanted and loved."
    Oh gosh, that sounds like a nurse I used to work with at the hospital!! Some patients loved her, but just as many couldn't stand her. One patient even threatened to check out AMA if this gal came in her room again.

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