Quote from mjlrn97
Excuse me, Tim, but your post troubles me. Over the years, you have made it quite clear that you consider yourself a Christian, yet you seem to have no problem "bashing" another Christian faith tradition.
While I myself have many political disagreements with my church, I do not appreciate seeing it 'bashed', and I take exception to your thinly-veiled inference that celibacy causes priests to become homosexuals.......or pedophiles! Every religion has its problem members; seems to me there was a VERY recent gay-sex scandal involving a prominent Evangelical preacher who had to resign in disgrace. Does that mean the entire church is rotten? I wouldn't think so, and I doubt you do either.
I'm disappointed. :stone
You misunderstood me if you thought I was making a reference to the recent scandals in the church.
I made no such reference, or even inference.
The Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor 7 that he wished that all could be like him (celibate) but since he KNEW how difficult that would be, then he conceded that most should have spouses.
Being celibate is very difficult, and intentionally so. It runs counter to our basic programmings. The whole POINT of remaining celibate is to prove a greater testament to God by the very effort of the act.
What I said was that the leadership of the Catholic church, all celibate, should understand more than most the difficulties of remaining celibate and should have considered the consequences of trying to impose that very high standard on the lay members of the church. My inference was regarding those lay members that have HIV. The leadership should have known that the continuation of banning condoms could lead to very unhealthy sexual practices, either in those that are single or those HIV catholics married to someone NOT HIV.
Indeed, they are rethinking the issue. I understand fully that the use of condoms runs afoul of basic pro-creation Catholic beliefs. I wouldn't expect the Catholic church to suddenly reverse it's decisions on say, birth control pills. But, condoms are different because the implications for their use go beyond birth control.
If you re-read the post you quoted, I think you will find that my intent in the first part of the post was to re-direct the thread away from bashing Catholics and back on the issue. (I edited that part of my previous point to try to make that more clear.)
But let me re-emphasize something: I made no thinly-veiled reference to celibacy and the recent problems in the church. I simply stated a fact: the Catholic celibate leadership should understand, more than most, how difficult it is to BE celibate. Indeed, they should.