"Universal Beds" Concept

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Administration at my hospital is planning to make us a "Universal Beds" hospital in a year or so. I work part-time on a med-surg unit, and the plans are to make more beds in the hospital telemetry-capable. On our 30-bed med-surg unit which has an oncology emphasis, we will have the capacity for 8 telemetry beds while our "sister" general med-surg unit will have an 18 bed capacity (out of 32 beds). We are all going to have to be cardiac monitor trained and ACLS certified as well as BLS certified. (On another note, I am also being sent to a mandatory 3-day course to learn chemotherapy administration the end of this year.)

Administration believes that the Universal Bed concept is much better for the patients and they've found that when a patient is transferred to another unit like telemetry, at least one day is added to their length of stay, so this should save the hospital money and be less of a disturbance for the patient and family to keep them in the same bed during their hospitalization. The staff has been told that their nurse to patient ratio will be reduced from 1:6 to 1:5. But my concern is that we have a LOT of part-time nurses and I'm wondering how we can be competent let alone proficient in reading monitors (and also administering chemotherapy on our unit) when we may possibly be assigned these patients infrequently? (If you don't use it, you lose it.)

I'd love to get feedback from anyone whose hospital has implemented this system or if they haven't, what you think about this concept. I would like to feel positive about all the changes, knowing that it sounds like they'll be better for the patients. But I'm feeling leary about all of this since, as a med-surg nurse, I often sort of feel like I'm a "Jack of all trades, master of none", and this is really threatening to make that feeling more pronounced. Also, I never was interested in telemetry; I just wanted to do med-surg, but it looks like those days will soon be in the past. (We're not even called med-surg anymore; we're now "Acute Care".)

Specializes in ER.
Being in "control of monitoring" is a wonderful concept, but just how does one do that when you have 6-7 patients to take care of? I personally trust a monitor tech to pick up a subtle rhythm change before I would trust an automatic alarm! I don't understand the difference in being alerted by the "monitor" and being alerted by the monitor tech?? This does NOT make a nurse lazy. It makes her on top of what's going on with her patients without the interference of nuisance alarms constantly. It's the nurses responsibility to assess the patient with any change in rhythm regardless of who picks it up. I'd just rather have a monitor tech who has been watching the patients strip for days and know the "norm" for that patient calling me.

You are assuming that the SAME tech has been monitoring the strips for days to know the "norm." You are also assuming that the tech never takes their eyes off of the monitors to notice a subtle change, and also hard to notice a subtle change when you are watching 30 or so rhythms at one time versus only having to pay attention to 6-7. You are also assuming that the monitor tech is also not annoyed by all the nuisance alarms that constantly go off and actually pay attention to every single alarm...because just because that nuisance alarm that looks like vfib was artificact the first 12 times, doesn't mean the 13th time, you think oh its probably just artifact again so I'm not going to bother calling over to the nurse, and it ends up really being that vfib....No system is perfect...I agree, however, because of that, If I have to be responsible for my patients health...I don't want to have to rely on someone else recognizing a problem they are having...

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

Telemetry patients are profitable. There's a higher charge for a patient placed on telemetry. So not only do the decrease the length of stay, they are making more money.

Our monitor techs go through a pretty intense training, and so do the nurses. There's a learning curve, but it's no big deal.

I think our hospital is leaning that way too.

I define cardiac telemetry and medical tele. differently. My concern is that a medical patient turns into a cardiac patient and they stay on the chemo floor. It would be better for them to go to a floor where there are more cardiac focused nurses.

However, if a chemo patient has a known problem, or a reason to be monitored and is asymptomatic, there's no reason to put that patient on another floor. This patient needs the expertise of the oncology/chemo nurses, not a telemetry nurse. But if that monitored patient has an arrythmia or becomes symptomatic, then it's time to move the patient.

Am I making sense?

Keep an open mind. It might not be as bad as you think.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
No system is perfect...I agree, however, because of that, If I have to be responsible for my patients health...I don't want to have to rely on someone else recognizing a problem they are having...

True, but those expectations are very unrealistic on the floor. Perhaps in the ER and ICU, yes. But even in the ER and ICU are your eyes constantly on the monitor watching for those subtle changes in rhythm that only you as the primary caregiver can give?

I get a little nervous with my telemetry patients. They are being monitored at our desk, by the charge nurse who isn't always there, and by a tech on another unit, that is also monitoring 20 plus patients of his/her own on that unit, plus our 8. So no, I don't 100% depend on the monitor techs. It's my patient, it's my job to know what the norm is, and to check the monitor for changes. My ratio is 7:1, but don't get me started on that (I work trauma med-surg, with the capacity for 8 tele beds). But it's imperitive for me to have a monitor tech. who is at least near the monitor when it alarms, who is given a training similar to mine in cardiac rhythm interpretation. That's not being lazy, that's JACHO requirements, and that's whats best for the patient.

Specializes in CCRN, CNRN, Flight Nurse.
you are assuming that the same tech has been monitoring the strips for days to know the "norm." you are also assuming that the tech never takes their eyes off of the monitors to notice a subtle change, and also hard to notice a subtle change when you are watching 30 or so rhythms at one time versus only having to pay attention to 6-7.
do your techs not have pass-on similar to the nursing staff? what do you do with the regularly recorded strips from days past? are you, as the rn, going to sit there with your eyes glued to the monitor screen for the duration of you shift?

as a mt, i received pass-on from the previous mt every day. it included (among other things) patient admit and medical history, telemetry history and any subtle variations. if there was ever a question concerning any possible change (subtle or blatant) in the strip, we immediately consulted the chart for the past strips (or rn first if the rhythm required). i honestly think you have better and more productive things to do with your shift than sitting with your nose glued to a telemetry monitor all day. this is very much an acceptably delegated task.

you are also assuming that the monitor tech is also not annoyed by all the nuisance alarms that constantly go off and actually pay attention to every single alarm...because just because that nuisance alarm that looks like vfib was artificact the first 12 times, doesn't mean the 13th time, you think oh its probably just artifact again so i'm not going to bother calling over to the nurse, and it ends up really being that vfib....
as a mt, i can tell you i never ignored an alarm. any alarm always got my complete attention and interpretation before i shut the paper off. and i sorry, but if a mt can't tell vt/vf from artifact ( :redlight: ), than they have absolutely no (zero! nil! nada! zippo!) business sitting at the monitors!! (i know rns who can't tell the difference - that's sad!! and scary!) if there was ever a shred for doubt, the rn/anyone within earshot was *immediately* notified by a very loud voice. screw trying to call a phone or pager. and if the monitor is going to alarm at every little artifact, what makes you think you with a pager won't be continually paged with the same alarm(s)?!?! again, i'd think you had better things to do than chase down telemetry ghosts.

no system is perfect...i agree, however, because of that, if i have to be responsible for my patients health...i don't want to have to rely on someone else recognizing a problem they are having...
like someone else mentioned, it's up to you to continually/periodically reassess you patients and be able to recognize the subtle beginnings of problems.

:i'll get off my soapbox now, thank you: :twocents:

Specializes in Med-Surg, Wound Care.

Roxan, I agree completely!! As a float nurse who only occasionally goes to telemetry, it's a level of comfort to know that someone who reads strips every single day is looking for problems with me. Our monitor techs are excellent! I agree that ICU and the ER are a different story with the "unknown" of initial diagnosis. It that case you absolutely have to be watching your own monitors since the situation is developing.

Specializes in tele, stepdown/PCU, med/surg.

Interesting thread.

Mommatrauma, I agree that we as nurses should take control of our patients rhythms. The various monitor techs have been superb and I have never had reason to doubt their abilities. If the slightest thing is off, they call me and I go check. They also hound me to change batteries on tele boxes; this is a good thing.

I know that we as nurses are ultimately responsible but I can't see a tele unit running without a monitor tech! I still don't think this makes nurses lazy. I, however, believe it is efficient and potential safeguard.

Specializes in ER.
do your techs not have pass-on similar to the nursing staff? what do you do with the regularly recorded strips from days past? are you, as the rn, going to sit there with your eyes glued to the monitor screen for the duration of you shift?

as a mt, i received pass-on from the previous mt every day. it included (among other things) patient admit and medical history, telemetry history and any subtle variations. if there was ever a question concerning any possible change (subtle or blatant) in the strip, we immediately consulted the chart for the past strips (or rn first if the rhythm required). i honestly think you have better and more productive things to do with your shift than sitting with your nose glued to a telemetry monitor all day. this is very much an acceptably delegated task.

as a mt, i can tell you i never ignored an alarm. any alarm always got my complete attention and interpretation before i shut the paper off. and i sorry, but if a mt can't tell vt/vf from artifact ( :redlight: ), than they have absolutely no (zero! nil! nada! zippo!) business sitting at the monitors!! (i know rns who can't tell the difference - that's sad!! and scary!) if there was ever a shred for doubt, the rn/anyone within earshot was *immediately* notified by a very loud voice. screw trying to call a phone or pager. and if the monitor is going to alarm at every little artifact, what makes you think you with a pager won't be continually paged with the same alarm(s)?!?! again, i'd think you had better things to do than chase down telemetry ghosts.

like someone else mentioned, it's up to you to continually/periodically reassess you patients and be able to recognize the subtle beginnings of problems.

:i'll get off my soapbox now, thank you: :twocents:

first of all, i no longer work in telemetry, i am an er nurse now...i did however work on a telemetry unit for 4 years before going to the emergency dept. and i also did about a year of prn telemetry after i did go to the er. one telemetry floor i worked on had monitor techs, one did not. the one floor i worked on that had monitor techs, yes, they had report, and they did have strips in the book. am i the rn going to sit glued to the monitor to look at my rhythms every second absolutely not...because to be honest, if the patient is sick enough that it requires that kind of intense monitoring, they are on the wrong floor....and for the record, i've never met a monitor tech that had eyes glued to the strips either...

ok so you say, if you see a sudden subtle or blatent change in the monitor, you consult the chart, or the nurse...how about the patient, by the time all the consulting is done, the patient could be full cardiac arrest...i was taught always check the patient first...as for having better more productive things to do all day then stare at the monitor, yes, you are right...i have to take care my patients, however, if it means that i need to keep an eye on their rhythm strip, then that's part of my patient care. in a perfect world everyone would be as good as you in not ignoring alarms, however, sorry to say, i'm sure somewhere in the world of "monitor techs" and nurses there are people that ignore alarms...i see it every day in my own er...however, i certainly don't want to go to court because someone died because someone else ignored an alarm that looked like it was "probably artifact" if i am the one that is licensed to be professionally responsible for the patient. if i go down because i made a mistake its one thing...but if i go down because someone else made a mistake its a whole other ballgame...to address your statement however about the mt that can't tell the difference between vtach/vfib and artifact doesn't know anything and has absolutely no business being at the monitor...i 100% disagree with you. i have been a nurse for 10 years now, with more than half being in a critical care setting...i can tell you that more times then i could count on my fingers and toes have i seen artifact that looks exactly like vtach/vfib and when you check on the patient they are moving all over...or maybe even have parkinson's...or hey, even fooling around...i'll even give you a challenge...go put a monitor on yourself and tap your hand on your chest right next to one of the monitor leads and watch what happens on the monitor...i had an 18 year old that thought he'd be funny to show his friends what he could do to the monitor...textbook vtach is what it did...except...it was just artifact, hence the reason you always check the patient first....so you proved my point exactly...never assume that because you think its probably artifact and it doesn't look like it was vtach/vfib out of the textbook, that it isn't. this is all the more reason i take rather take the responsibility for my own patients...and if the pager is constantly going off because of artifact, then oh well, i need to keep checking it i guess...because i bet you that artifact alarm has even saved a few mom-moms and pop-pops from falling out of bed cause there alarms were going off and someone went in to check on them...if the nurse ignores the alarm, then that's the nurses responsibility, and poor patient care in my eyes...and that nurse will have to deal with the consequences. i quite honestly would rather chase down the telemetry ghosts then have to explain to a lawyer why i didn't respond to an alarm that potentially results in a patients death...the one point we do agree on is that it is up to you to continually/periodically reassess patients to recognize the subtle beginnings of a problem...hence, why i like to do it myself.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Wound Care.

I don't think that anyone is arguing that checking the patient first and being up on what's going on with their telemetry. Absolutely you go and check the patient first. But if your walking a patient to the bathroom and your patient down the hall has converted into rapid afib, just how long is it going to take you to finish walking the patient to the bathroom, and get back to the "remote monitor" to see the change?? With tele monitor techs I'm beeped with exactly what's going on and go directly to that patient for assessment. I truly don't see the problem with monitor techs.

Specializes in ER.
I don't think that anyone is arguing that checking the patient first and being up on what's going on with their telemetry. Absolutely you go and check the patient first. But if your walking a patient to the bathroom and your patient down the hall has converted into rapid afib, just how long is it going to take you to finish walking the patient to the bathroom, and get back to the "remote monitor" to see the change?? With tele monitor techs I'm beeped with exactly what's going on and go directly to that patient for assessment. I truly don't see the problem with monitor techs.

And if you are walking that same patient to the bathroom are you going to let go of them to look at the beeper? And then are you going to say hold on lady...I have to go to Mrs Smiths room....So how does having or not having a tech make a difference...It doesn't change the fact, you still have to go look in on the patient, and you are still walking the other patient to the bathroom whether someone is watching the monitors or not...The monitored floor I worked on didn't have techs but still used beepers with their remote monitors...when the alarm sounds for the rapid afib, it is simultaneously sent to the beeper you are carrying to tell you exactly why it is alarming, instead of a person having to manually beep you...so you take out the middle man...and guess what, its one more tech you could have working on the floor helping out...

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
And if you are walking that same patient to the bathroom are you going to let go of them to look at the beeper? And then are you going to say hold on lady...I have to go to Mrs Smiths room....So how does having or not having a tech make a difference...It doesn't change the fact, you still have to go look in on the patient, and you are still walking the other patient to the bathroom whether someone is watching the monitors or not...The monitored floor I worked on didn't have techs but still used beepers with their remote monitors...when the alarm sounds for the rapid afib, it is simultaneously sent to the beeper you are carrying to tell you exactly why it is alarming, instead of a person having to manually beep you...so you take out the middle man...and guess what, its one more tech you could have working on the floor helping out...

That's a good idea. My question to you going to be "how on earth do you monitor the monitor while taking care of the patient." Do you see the rhythm or just get a beep?

I also agree it's a liability that you aren't informed every time the alarm goes off, and the power is in the tech's hands. No system is perfect I guess.

Specializes in ER.
That's a good idea. My question to you going to be "how on earth do you monitor the monitor while taking care of the patient." Do you see the rhythm or just get a beep?

I also agree it's a liability that you aren't informed every time the alarm goes off, and the power is in the tech's hands. No system is perfect I guess.

Depends on the system that is used...I've seen beepers that beep and show a quick strip and more commonly, (and probably less expensive) the ones that tell you what the alarm is..ie..HR>120 or Vtach..or whatever your monitor is set to alarm for...and you're right no system is perfect...that's why you always have to be on your toes...no matter who is watching your monitors...I just feel if ultimately I am the responsible party for the patient, I want the ultimate decision how my alarms are handled. I can't speak for everyone, only myself.

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