Unit Secretaries

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Have any of your units eliminated secretaries since the introduction of EMR? When I first started as a nurse we were still largely using paper charting and just introducing computers. Unit secretaries were busy entering orders, faxing orders to pharmacy, making sure charts were complete and in order, thinning charts and taking trips to medical records. Now this is all done on computer. The providers enter their own orders and pharmacy automatically sees them on their end. Notes are typed on the computer and there are no charts to thin. All records are scanned into the computer, so no reason to go to medical records. The secretaries come in handy when we have an admit or discharge. Our length of stay is several weeks, so discharges are rare and admits happen maybe 4-5x per week. They also order supplies as needed- as far as I can tell this takes about an hour per week. We have a unit secretary 7am-11pm Monday-Friday. This just seems way excessive for what they do. We handle admissions without a secretary just fine at night and on weekends.

I am not one to complain about extra help, but in an age where they're cutting costs right and left, I feel like the money is better spent elsewhere. Some of the secretaries who have been there forever make more money than new grad nurses. They all make more money than our aids, who are busy all day everyday. Further, the constant member of our staff not doing any work is distracting. The secretaries often want to sit back and talk and we just don't have time for it. The last time I worked I watched our secretary have an hour personal phone call, take three breaks, and have a friend come visit for over an hour. My manager said something about the friend visit, and she just said she was still doing her job by answering the phones when try rang.

There was talk a few years back about cross training the secretaries as aids so they could do aid duties when not busy. That never happened.

So, do you still have secretaries? How often? What do they do?

I used to be a Unit Secretary! I loved the job! And my girls loved me :-) It is because of them that I decided to go to nursing school. We did have 2 newer girls on our unit that got laid off when everything went electronic. Talk about chaos at the nurses station! It was a step down telemetry unit so we were always busy. I think the nurse manager regretted the decision, especially since it was purely budget related.

Specializes in Transitional Nursing.

I am a CNA but I also work as a SEC. Used to do it full time, and my unit needs me. The nurses don't always (or usually) know how to enter complicated orders they may have received by telephone, and DOC's aren't all compliant with CPOE. On top of that I answer the call lights and call the appropriate person, watch any of the patients who sit up at the nurses station due to being fall risks, Put all the new admit packs together, enter the orders that non CPOE docs wrote, and it goes on and on. I also get up and help the CNA's or nurses even depending on who needs what. I will enter specimens that have been collected for them, send them to the lab. I also have to write every CPOE order that comes through onto the kardex so that the next shift sees everything thats been ordered. I'm also known as the computer fixer and i fix all the COWs as they need it. Its usually a couple a shift at least.

The FT day sec has begun making d/c appointments for patients and a ton of other social worker stuff.....its crazy.

I do believe they'd be lost without us. :-)

Specializes in Psychiatry.
I am a CNA but I also work as a SEC. Used to do it full time, and my unit needs me. The nurses don't always (or usually) know how to enter complicated orders they may have received by telephone, and DOC's aren't all compliant with CPOE. On top of that I answer the call lights and call the appropriate person, watch any of the patients who sit up at the nurses station due to being fall risks, Put all the new admit packs together, enter the orders that non CPOE docs wrote, and it goes on and on. I also get up and help the CNA's or nurses even depending on who needs what. I will enter specimens that have been collected for them, send them to the lab. I also have to write every CPOE order that comes through onto the kardex so that the next shift sees everything thats been ordered. I'm also known as the computer fixer and i fix all the COWs as they need it. Its usually a couple a shift at least.

The FT day sec has begun making d/c appointments for patients and a ton of other social worker stuff.....its crazy.

I do believe they'd be lost without us. :-)

I know we'd be lost without ours! I just don't get how secretaries are able to enter orders with CPOE. Only the providers and those able to take phone/verbal orders can access order entry where I work.

Specializes in Transitional Nursing.
I know we'd be lost without ours! I just don't get how secretaries are able to enter orders with CPOE. Only the providers and those able to take phone/verbal orders can access order entry where I work.

We enter them as telephone or written orders like we did before CPOE existed. I don't understand what you mean. The only thing that changed with us, is that the Docs can enter orders themselves from wherever they may be. I still have access to everything I used to. No one can cancel or edit a CPOE order but the doc, though.

Specializes in Psychiatry.

Looking back at your first post it sounds like you all are still using paper charts, I missed that part and it's where I got confused. :) We are paperless and orders are no longer written. They are all put into the computer by doctors or nurses.

Specializes in Transitional Nursing.

Ohhhh yes. Paper charts but everything is then entered. I see what you're saying. I guess we're kind of hybrid. We do both.

Yea, thats gonna suck when that happens. I defiantly wont have access then.

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