Unethical Practices? - page 6

Is it just me, or is anyone else a bit hopeful that someone from Allnurses.com made it perfectly clear that they will not be the platform for unethical "studies?" Clearly here, informed consent did... Read More

  1. by   Stargazer
    Eh. We've seen this before, multiple times. Original Poster acts like an ass, Responding Posters lay the smack down, Original Poster, backpedaling furiously, claims s/he was just "doing research" or "testing a theory" for a "study" they were doing, in a pathetic and transparent attempt to save face. Whatever.

    "I'm not a doctoral candidate--but I play one on the internet!!!"

    I agree with Susy though. People like this need to be banned. Whether it's true or not, it's unethical and creepy.
  2. by   Sally_ICURN
    Oh for cripes sake, this is the internet. Stuff like this is gonna happen. The mods did the right thing and closed that thread on the basis of personal attacks (which happens A LOT here especially under the guise of debate). I don't think that closed thread needed to have another thread started and devoted to discussing what some see as ethical issues attached to it.

    Probably not a popular opinion, but it's my opinion. If anyone wants to feel a little more "safe" while cruising or um surfing the net, turn on your parental controls.
    Last edit by Sally_ICURN on Feb 20, '03
  3. by   Heather333
    Originally posted by nurse-lou
    [B Heathers......hmmm wasn't that the name of a movie starring Winona Rider and Chrisitan Slater where they kill all the Heathers except Shannen Doherty's character. And those Heathers were a bunch of bytches!!!! But I KNOW that our Heathers are not! [/B]
    Hey now, I can be a bytch if I want to.....it all depends on the situation.

    Sometimes, you just gotta be a bytch. But most of the time, I'm not

    Heather
  4. by   hoolahan
    J-Z's original statement...

    you guys really need to chill out and not take things so seriously really. anywho. this was an experiment for my thesis on Nursing unions and strength in numbers. my theory is based in two parts rounded up by the theory that US Nurses are a stronger group hence why they are paid more, more respected etc and UK Nurses are weak etc thats why they get paid less.
    Thanks anyway. i appear to have gotten a first (an A) for a well written and insightful if not unusual study, which will go towards what is my second PhD.

    KC on why the thread was moved...

    Can we NOT say anything negative in any thread lest it be CLOSED??? *****
    Gone are the days of fun, intense disagreement?
    The reins are too tight these days.
    I didn't see anything in that thread, along with others that have been closed lately, that warrant its closing.
    If anyone complains about any thread....will it be closed?
    .....so, in theory....if you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time, would that mean....... in time, all threads would be closed and there would be no Allnurses? Get my point?
    (old lady voice): "Back in the day, we could actually give our opinion. Young wipper snapper's these days, well, they just don't have it so good."

    Heather 333's take on it...

    I hear ya! There a little thing called the first amendment: Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    and...
    I think it's absolutely stupid that if everything isn't all roses, then the thread gets closed. What's the point of having this BB if you can't say what you think.

    I will interject here. OK, did you happen to notice the wording on the first admendment says CONGRESS shall not.... Allnurses is not congress. It is privately owned, and there is NO law saying a privately owned bb cannot control what is posted on it. In fact anyone can basically be banned for any for no reason whatsoever.

    Oh yeah, not that I think this person is wrapped too tightly, but isn't that what J-Z was doing, just staing his opinion?(Kooky as it is!)


    Baseline..

    Am I the only one getting oh so tired of weirdos who seem to be infiltrating this BB at an alarming rate? Holy Kamolie. And threads being closed so fast you never even get a chance to form an opinion. :-( Ok. Back to work with me.....charts to review...just taking a break......ttfn ( I LOVE the UK!)

    me again, no you certainly aren't alone in feeling that way, but if there is no censorship, weirdo's like this get to stay, see the problem with that?? You can't have it both ways.

    KC...

    Anyone up for starting a thread to question why so many threads have been closed lately??

    Uh, haven't you been doing that ad nauseum at every opportunity already?
  5. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    originally posted by kittyw
    it's like a car wreck ... i .... just.... can't ..... stop........ reading.

    whew.

    must be a phd in bs.
  6. by   KC CHICK
    Hoolahan,
    Yes. I have taken every opportunity to post about this censorship I've seen lately. It wasn't this frequent a year ago.

    Irritates the heck out of me when I haven't had the chance to read something before it's been deleted or closed.
    I don't care if you do think it's being discussed 'ad nauseum'. Sometimes it takes repetition to get the point across.

    Anne
  7. by   RNinICU
    Originally posted by ayemmeff


    The rest of you aren't lumping the rest of us Brits in with these weirdies that keep popping up,are you? We seem to be having a bad run lately.I can only apologise on their behalf.:stone
    No need to apologise for the others. There is no way we would "lump the rest of the Brits" in with a few weirdos. We still luv ya.

    I have to say that I need to spend more time here. Every time I am away for a few days, all the interesting stuff happens.
  8. by   Heather333
    Hoolahan.....I agree that Jay-Z can say what he wants but so can I. My point about the first amendment was that we should be able to say what we want even if people don't agree. JZ has the right to voice his/her opinion. So does everyone else.

    Threads shouldn't be closed because a discussion becomes heated. I did not nor did anyone else threaten harm to this person. Every one of us voiced our thoughts and opinions. If you have a problem with that, then there is nothing I can say to change it.

    If the powers that be want to ban me for expressing my thoughts and opinions, so be it!

    Heather
  9. by   kendal
    Yes I bit the bait and commented on the "differences" between American and British Nurses. Sorry, it had been a long hard day at work and I was irritated. On the plus side, its good to have found a site which is actually used and is interesting. Ill think before I write next time.
  10. by   emily_mom
    Good idea.
  11. by   canoehead
    Bunch of hens at a pecking party...don't you all get tired of it?
  12. by   Q.
    For the record: while others are PO'd at thread closings, I think the more serious issue is the performing of research on subjects without consent!.

    Like Stargazer says,whether it's true or not we'll never know, but nonetheless it is creepy and weird and unethical. So, AllNurses will ban a bonafide member for using "foul language" but not a new member for breaking codes of the Belmont Report and Nuremburg Code.

    I didn't know Allnurses was the platform for such practices. Thanks, I'll spread the word.
  13. by   Q.
    Originally posted by hoolahan
    me again, no you certainly aren't alone in feeling that way, but if there is no censorship, weirdo's like this get to stay, see the problem with that?? You can't have it both ways.
    Linda, (not directed at you but using your post to illustrate a point)
    So, cencorship has only to do with expletives and insults? Why is not performing research /psychological tests not part of that?
    Sure we could argue that oh, well, we don't really think he is doing a study, etc etc. But at what point can you really determine that? At what point can someone use the words we type here in AllNurses in a study? This isn't that far off base you know. MY very own thesis consists of interviewing recovering alcoholics, to eventually find a pattern in their collective statements. Some of their words will be used and published, word-for-word, to illustrate that pattern. (of course, after informed consent).
    There is no scientific method there. There is no "control" group. It's study about patterns of thinking.

    We could also argue that a poster here could do this at any time, without our knowledge and how do we stop it? We can't. But when a poster comes right out and states he's using it for a research study, um, THAT needs to be addressed. Or should I spread the word to my graduate friends that hey! Screw the IRB etc! Wanna easy and fast way to interview?? Go on AllNurses! They don't care! Hell, you don't even need a real consent! We can just FAKE it.

    I don't think that's good for membership.

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