this is why people still think there's a nursing shortage!

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aarggghhh! more of a rant than anything else. my mother is a nurse (NP actually). growing up, the expectation was always made very clear that my brother and I were to go into healthcare, and that nothing else would be an acceptable career choice. (He's a successful sous chef, and my mother didn't talk to him for two years after she realized he wasn't ever going to medical school and is serious about doing what he enjoys).

Now our younger brother is being pushed in the same direction - he's 15 and he has no interest or particular aptitude for nursing or healthcare. His talent and passion is languages -he's in 10th grade and is taking French and Russian at a local university after testing out of honors language classes at his school, and teaching ESL at a nonprofit center for immigrant services.

Last night he mentioned to our parents that he was thinking about majoring in linguistics at college. My mother flipped out and started telling him that healthcare is the only profession you can count on, that he would be stupid to walk away from the chance to earn a ton of money and how there's such a need for nurses that he would be able to write his own ticket and get work easily in any specialty. All the myths were trotted out - big money, easy to find a job, make your own schedule, you can go right into the ER or any other popular specialty area right out of school, etc.

This is at least one reason why people are going into nursing/healthcare with expectations that are not at all reality-based. Where are they hearing that there's big money, easy money, flexible scheduling, loads of cushy or high-profile jobs? Someone is telling these people to expect that, and sometimes it's not Yahoo! Answers giving them the wrong idea- but rather experienced, working nurses who should know better!

tbh I really want to show him the AN forums so he can get a different perspective.

The US will always have enemies/business partners, both of which require people fluent in their language. I don't see how thats a bad idea at all.

Because those people usually have degrees in that field, with a fluency/minor in that language.

A large company isnt going to hire someone who majored in Chinese Language/Culture for international relations, its going to hire someone who specialized in marketing/sales/etc who is fluent in their culture.

Knowing another language is NEVER a bad thing, but completely specializing in it would be a mistake. Especially considering how many people move to the united states from another country, so they are already fluent in their native language + learn english here.

Specializes in ICU/PACU.

What terrible, terrible advice! Jeez. Let him learn on his own, find his own passion. Life is too short to do something you don't want to do. And can you imagine going through nursing school only to find out after 2 years you hate it and you end up quitting anyway? Talk about a waste of money and time. And I've seen that with several former classmates.

And as far as healthcare being the highest paid position amongst your friends, I tend to disagree. I must have a different set of friends because I make the least and in my opinion have the least amount of growth potential as a RN out of my circle of friends. It's been a great career path for me but after 10 years I'm thinking of other things I can do with my background and am struggling with where to go from here.

If I was him, I'd go to another country and teach English. How fun would that be? I wish I could do something like that.

I would suggest that you let your brother decide for what he really likes best. And the rest would just guide him through. You wouldn't want your brother to blame you and your mother in the end, would you?

Specializes in Anesthesia, ICU, PCU.

Wow this situation is eerily similar to my life. If I could've had things my way, I would've studied languages and traveled also. I loved and truly excelled at Spanish in high school and even got an award at graduation for it. I passed out of the freshman and sophomore level classes in college which I was very proud of. Before nursing school I even took a few advanced conversational classes in college, but lo, the ability doesn't pay your bills. Nor could I finish the minor I had started building for myself with the heavy nursing school curriculum. None of this is meant to say my Spanish doesn't help me in my current position anyway.

I would have really loved to go on and study Arabic and maybe formally learn Serbo-Croatian too - but then again - what use would it be if I was broke and my family/friends were left wondering "what is he doing with his life" while I worked at Starbucks as a 23-24 year old college-graduated adult? Too many of my friends had graduated with degrees in some areas that... how to put this... don't have as much applicability to the American workforce. I would often hear them complaining about their non-professional jobs or low-paying, entry-level jobs even as college graduates. All I knew is that I wanted to be successful and to be able to provide for myself, if need be.

Anyway you should probably help your little brother's position out. As someone whose decision to pursue nursing was out of desire for degree practicality and employability (agreement with your mom's school of thought), I think you should tell him to continue with linguistics. Without sounding pretentious or cliche, I think enough has transpired in my short life to confidently advise him to FOLLOW HIS DREAM. Not sure how it's been in the past, but nursing these days seems to be filled with a LOT of people looking for employability, decent pay, and job stability. Not so much the "I care" and "I've always wanted to be a nurse" type. Just my two cents.

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.

I'm a High School Nurse and I know that I've scared about 20 kids so far who told me that they want to be a nurse because their mom/dad/neighbor/billboard/commercial/bestfriendshairdresser told them that being a Nurse = job anywhere + big bucks + job security. I tell them straight it's hard for nurses, especially new grads to find jobs. I tell them how I applied for over 100 positions over 8+ months and got 2 interviews, the 2nd lead to my current position. It's HARD out there and Nursing is not some cushy, easy job like you see on those commercials trying to get people into their programs. Nursing is hard. Nursing school is hard and this profession isn't one of those jobs you do for the money because it wouldn't be worth it. You become a Nurse for yourself and nobody else. I knew I wanted to be a Nurse in high school and I honestly thought Nurse's didn't make much money. I loved healthcare and I wanted to care for my patients and interact with them on a level I couldn't do as a MD.

I'm doing a presentation tonight on what's it like to be a School Nurse for some local high school students and yes I have like 3 slides on the difficulty of finding a job as a New Grad and how the Nursing Shortage is non-existent in most areas of the United States. There's actually a shortage of School Nurse's in my area because you need a BSN in my State to be a School Nurse and in our little bubble there's only a Community College. The Nurse's who get their BSN at the university's over 2 hours from here would rather work there or at the Prison and make big bucks and avoid the isolated desert area and the hospitals that don't have differential pay for BSN vs ADN.

Totally disagree with your mom. And this from an old person. Nursing was apparently what your mother wanted to do and is good at but your brother is apparently good at languages. Why try to make him go into something he might hate.

My husbands father picked medicine out for my husband, accounting for one brother. My husband is a pharmacist and very good at his job but feels less than related to self esteem because of his father's expectations. His brother wanted to be a journalist. We can't live anyones life for them. As long as they have considered their career choice and it is reasonable and not illegal we should support them in their choices.

The only places with nursing shortages are nursing homes and home health.

Wonder why? Its hard work!

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.

Nursing homes have very heavy workloads, and home health doesn't pay much.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
The ANA and the BLS predict that the nursing job market will rebound by 2020. That's 6 years from now, and doesn't do much for new grads who can't find first jobs, nurses with less than 5 years of experience who took whatever jobs they could find and are looking for their next job, more experienced nurses who are laid off, and older nurses who can't afford to retire. I was amazed when January's American Journal of Nursing ran an article admitting that the nursing shortage ended years ago, and that many new grads can't find jobs.

Thanks for posting this. I do believe that we will see more and more people peeling off the party "line". But still, working nurses like the OP's mother and those who don't frequent sites like this or know someone who is struggling to find a job may never know. Just today I saw an example of the circular nursing school-grant money-public relations machine in motion with a report from a company that specializes in communications funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation about how successful they were at getting the message out that (excerpt)

The United States has an unprecedented shortage of registered nurses that is projected to grow to 260,000 by 2025--twice as large as any nursing shortage experienced in the United States since the mid-1960s.

Following that some self-congratulatory comments about how "trusted" their policy briefs are and the real kicker . . .

Project Director Jeri Spann noted that the series yielded benefits we hadn't expected. (Readers) were using (briefs) in graduate and undergraduate classes where nurses were being prepared and they were using them to strengthen cases to obtain funding for nursing related initiatives, mostly at the state level.

I'm afraid the numbers of the "lost generation" are likely to increase. What a waste of money and talent. I think nursing is unique in that the shelf life of a nursing graduate is considered to be pretty short by many employers operating off the old playbook. So the comparison with anthropology or english lit doesn't quite dovetail with nursing grads.

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