This article insults nursing as a lower skilled job - page 8

i just read this article that down plays the work and hard study that rn's all put in to obtain a degree in college or a university. i feel insulted and plan to write them. :angryfire and a i am... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    just for those wondering, the decision to close a thread is not made lightly, and usually is only done after much discussion among moderators. also, most are re-opened up after cooling off, in case you did not notice.

    carry on!
    :angel2:
  2. by   SFCardiacRN
    Nursing is a proud diverse profession. It is made up of many kinds of people with differing education levels and tasks. Our core mandate is to take care of the sick but we do so much more than that. And nursing is evolving quickly before our eyes as our responsibilities and opportunities expand. We are loved and respected by our communities and fellow nurses. I am proud to be a nurse and I see that pride everyday on allnurses.com. Thank you all!!!!
  3. by   Jake_weird03
    dont really found the article offending, except from the word that was used -"low-skilled". but well, im just a nursing student and not yet a RN but my belief is that you only find something offending if it means youre guilty<"truth hurts"> bout it...hey, thats only my belief.... we as nurses<RNs or students> should not be moved only by this articles...Im proud of what i had chosen...we have here a proffesion that is <according to statistics> where people really trust...

    and by the way copying an article is i think illegal especially for the reason that it will be posted in a forum...<not sure. only a guess>
  4. by   mercyteapot
    Jake,

    The article wasn't copied. Part of it was cut and pasted, just enough to pique our interest to read the full article, which was posted by someone else, on a different site. This procedure is per TOS, so you needn't worry that anyone is about to get busted.

    That said, I would have to disagree with you that things are only offensive if they happen to be true. That said, I didn't find the article offensive myself. I found it somewhat trite, with little attention paid to accuracy. I would imagine those who are offended by the article feel overworked and underpaid, as so many of us are, and not appreciative that their efforts are dismissed as requiring low skills, which, as I hope we can all agree, is far from the truth.
  5. by   mama, bsn
    Let me first say that there are many adn's that are better nurses than bsn's and vice versa.

    I personally believe that a BSN should be entry to practice if we are to ever shed this label. Most adn programs take longer than 2 years anyway, so why not just go for the bsn? If we made a bsn the entry to practice, it would discourage many people that get into the profession for the wrong reasons, and would also improve our standing on the "skill level" and make nurses more respected!
  6. by   nicholrwalker
    Quote from RN2MD
    I will be attending med school in the fall 06 (ie my moniker). Do nurses have any idea what true professionals (ie MD, JD, PharmD, MBA, DDS, DVM,PhD) have endured to earn the salaries and respect afforded to them by society? Does anyone notice any similarities within the list? ALL hold advanced degrees. If nurses want more respect they must minimally have a BSN for entry to practice. Nursing will never be a 'profession' until a BSN (among many other things) is the minimum requirement for practice. Also, the nature of the work is blue collar. Which of the above professions wipes a**, fluffs pillows, orders trays, serves beverages, etc. NONE! Nurses should organize and unionize in order to demand that less skilled staff be responsible for these things. Come on guys do you all really know what professionals think of nursing? My former pre med classmates said the most derrogatory and demeaning things about nurses. Another RN who is already in the med school I will be attending next fall strongly urged me not to divulge my former occupation because my well educated upper class classmates will view me 'a dumb nurse' and my professors and attending/resident physicians will have less respect for me.
    When will nursing become a true profession that one can be proud of?

    Why be ashamed of being a nurse? Are you telling me every MD is a genius? Some of them do not have since enough to wash their hands inbetween patient care. But if nurses such as yourself do not speak out, for nurses maybe the problem lies in your own insecurity about who you are.

    I don't need a title to tell me I am great, and if money is all you are after i pity your patients. And as for as upper educated, please...you know better than that.
  7. by   RN2MD
    Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.
  8. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from RN2MD
    Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.
    In the first place, you were the one that suggested in another post that nurses should be happy to top out at $80 or $85K a year, which to me was an odd thing to say. Lots of hospital nurses that I know earn more than that. Lots of them earn much less, too, so I hope this won't turn into a tit for tat about how little some of us are paid. Granted, I live in a metropolitan area and unions prevail here, but I am sure there are other nurses out there earning more than what you've listed as a max. And you're still making blanket statements. "Doctors don't encourage their daughters to go into nursing?" Off the top of my head, I can think of 6 nurses I know whose fathers are doctors. And one of them is, gasp, a MALE! And as far being invited to doctor's gatherings, you know what? That's kind of what makes it a doctor's gathering, isn't it? We don't invite them to our's! It doesn't mean that we don't consider them well educated (although, sometimes one is led to wonder...) We're not invited to the social workers' gatherings, either, but I never felt like they don't respect me. You say you didn't make the rules, but frankly, it sounds to me like you're making them up as you go along, or painting them with a mighty broad brush.
  9. by   gypsyatheart
    Quote from RN2MD
    Let's discuss the facts. Nurses are underpaid, overworked, not respected nor viewed as professionals by well educated people. What are nurses going to do to change this? 1)BSN as point of entry 2)Unions (nationwide) 3)Stop accepting crap from administration. Several nurses have stated 'I am respected by doctors' if that's the case why aren't nurses invited to the MD's gatherings? Why don't MD's encourage their daughters to go into nursing? It's because nuses are viewed as working class lower educated people. I didn't make the rules but I'm darn sure going to ensure that I personally will be a well educated, respected, well paid PROFESSIONAL.

    RN2MD, Whatever valid points you may have are lost on your obvious abhorrence and disrespect for the PROFESSION of nursing. Yes, that's right, the PROFESSION of nursing. My only real feeling here, after reading your posts, is pity for your patients, now and in whatever future place you may hold in healthcare. People w/your attitude have no business in healthcare, at all...:uhoh21:
  10. by   RN2MD
    Mercy,
    How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different from many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.
    Last edit by RN2MD on Nov 17, '05
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    RN2MD, do what you have to be "happy". The rest of us will, too. I am so sorry being a nurse is "inadequate" for you....for some of us, it's more than a career; it's a ministry and we are very content right where we are. But do NOT cut down others' choices as inadequate or unprofessional on your way. You will find few who care to hear it, or standing behind you. As an MD, for you, it will STILL take a damn good nurse to back you up. Bet on it. Do NOT alienate those who would back you up, or you will regret it.

    Good luck in medical school. I hope your medical career is all you hope for.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Nov 17, '05
  12. by   gypsyatheart
    Excellent post, Deb!
  13. by   nicholrwalker
    Quote from RN2MD
    Mercy,
    How many professional friends do you have? Were you raised in a working class household? Do you have a BSN? All of these factors contribute to the type of field one goes into. I have family members who are attorneys, administrators (masters prepared), my best friend is a surgeon, another good friend is a pharmacist and I attended a top 10 university. Therefore, my perspective is probably different form many nurses. Many nurses I have encountered come from working class backgrounds, are single mothers, and do not have friendships with well educated professionals. Perhaps if I were not surrounded by pharmacists, attorneys, administrators, physicians I to would feel that nursing is adequate. Fortunately for me that is not the case. By the way I do attend MD gatherings usually with my physician friend and when these docs speak candidly about nurses and other ancillary staff lets just say I'm glad that I will soon be joining the ranks of the MD's.

    Are you wanting to be judged for your merits or your family members? I have family members who are MD's, JD's, engineers etc., I have a BS in Psychology and eventhough I did not pursue an advance degree in my major my family is still very proud of me. I work in research and I fell my work is professional as well as highly respected by my peers,( which include MD's )I just cant believe that someone would come down on a whole profession of people. A profession by the way which you will find very important in the line of work you are currently pursuing. Maybe you were not well suited for nursing and are perhaps a little bitter? I am currently working on pursing an advanced degree that will take me out of nursing as well...but I feel I will always be a nurse. I have learned so much during my career, and am grateful for the opportunity that I have had. Maybe you should look upon your experiences in that way (good or bad). And you wont be so bitter about nursing. You just seem sooooo angry. By the way why are you on a nursing forum?

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