The Value of AN

  1. 24 Part of the value of AN is that it conveys the norms of the career we've all (or most of us, anyway) chosen to those who otherwise wouldn't have any way of finding out the norms. Nurses know that you don't call yourself a nurse unless you've been through an accredited program, passed the licensing exam, and hold a nursing license. But evidently some nursing schools don't cover that fact (or some posters were asleep when it was covered) and don't know that. And pre-nursing students wouldn't know unless someone told them. Someone told them right here on the site, and all anyone had to do was read the thread. That's awesome! That's a resource I could have benefitted greatly from when I was a lowly nursing student. Or a brand new nurse. Or even a not-so-new nurse who couldn't figure out why my co-workers hated me. (It's obvious now, but it wasn't then, and one post here would have cleared up the mystery for me pretty darned quick, had I the intelligence to pay attention.)


    There are those who ask the question and there are hundreds more of those who can benefit from the answer, whether or not they themselves thought to ask the question. "Do I really have to drive to work in the snow?" "How do I survive working the night shift when I'm always tired?" "Why does my preceptor hate me?" "Fired -- now what?" All these burning questions -- and more -- are asked and answered on AN, and even if you didn't ask the question, reading through the answers may give you glimmers of insight you didn't know you needed. It's a valuable resource.


    Like any profession, ours has norms. One of the toughest things about being a newbie is inadvertently stepping on the norms of your profession, and not realizing that you did so until your colleagues are ostracizing you. Reading AN can prevent some of that drama. Yes, you have to drive to work in the snow and it's unwise to insist to your manager that "it's not worth my life" to show up when you're scheduled. Yes, you really have to work your night shifts and your colleagues will be unimpressed when you insist that you're really too special to work nights, or that you shouldn't have to because it makes you miserable. Yes, hospitals do have IT departments scanning the social media for references to their institution or posts by their employees or potential employees. Now whether you've paid attention and internalized the advice is another story.


    What I really cannot understand is why those who can benefit most from the free insights and advice offered on AN not only reject the information but angrily insist that it's incorrect or unimportant. I do know that it tells me a lot about that person, and what kind of an employee and a colleague they will make in the future. And, being the kind of person that I am, I'll admit that it can also lead to a helluva entertaining thread!
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  3. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page

    About Ruby Vee

    Ruby Vee has '38' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'ICU/CCU'. From 'the Midwest'; Joined Jun '02; Posts: 9,118; Likes: 33,941.

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  4. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    I love that I can come here and vent semi-anonymously (I do change several details to protect the not-so-innocent and myself) because doing so around my coworkers can bite me in the backside and my family just doesn't get it. As for the entertaining threads, there's currently one going on that I seem to find some strange urge to refresh often. Although I am enjoying my popcorn and wine to go with it!
  5. Visit  nynursey_ profile page
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    I don't even ....

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  6. Visit  raisincookie profile page
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    Hey Ruby Vee, just a shout out to tell you not all of your advice falls on deaf ears. =) I enjoy the anonymity and community that AN provides.

    I feel like it is very important to reiterate the points about protecting your identity in this day and age of technology. In January an RN who worked for one of the bigger hospitals in my area warned my graduating class about the evils of posting all our social activity on social media. He told us that recruiters including himself, simply put hopefuls names in Google and looked at what came up. Most searches take less than half a second.

    So a word to the not so wise BE CAREFUL, it is not just "crusty old bats" who are talking just to talk, this is coming from somebody who has grown up in the internet age. Don't take it personally!!!!!!
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  7. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Rose_Queen
    I love that I can come here and vent semi-anonymously (I do change several details to protect the not-so-innocent and myself) because doing so around my coworkers can bite me in the backside and my family just doesn't get it. As for the entertaining threads, there's currently one going on that I seem to find some strange urge to refresh often. Although I am enjoying my popcorn and wine to go with it!
    Agree; I think this is an excellent place to come and know you are not alone in discussing and processing a particular event; thinking about career advancement; of even wanting to have a philosophical debate; the discourse becomes much more entertaining and popcorn-ready fun!

    I also think posters who have huge chips on their shoulder SHOULD pay attention; this is NOT Twitter or Facebook, or any other "social" website; it is a place where professional interaction takes place and is a separate bubble; when you enter into AN, there are certain standards that are going to be upheld-it's NEVER personal, but professional, and that may mean putting on grown-up pants to fully understand and accept some of the healthy dose of information that one needs-it will certainly help whoever in the long run.
    Last edit by LadyFree28 on Mar 9, '14
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  8. Visit  TU RN profile page
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    Yes AN is a wonderful source to get some preliminary information, but it's an open online forum. The information on here is limited to the same accuracy as Wikipedia in that anybody can contribute anonymously and throw information askew. I wouldn't take what I read on here and apply it to my nursing practice without researching it pretty rigorously in established texts and quality studies. Not that I think I'm any better or anything, I wouldn't go taking an experienced nurses word as Bible without fact-checking either. Not because I'm biased against them, it's just good practice if you don't know something.
  9. Visit  kanzi monkey profile page
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    Quote from Ruby Vee
    One of the toughest things about being a newbie is inadvertently stepping on the norms of your profession, and not realizing that you did so until your colleagues are ostracizing you. Reading AN can prevent some of that drama.
    But you ostracize newbies on AN all the time...
    Just because it's anonymous doesn't mean your harsh comments to new nurses, students, pre-nurses aren't taken to heart (and not in a good way). I've been on AN for a while now, and I find myself wincing at your reflexive responses to novices (and I swear whenever a newbie thread is posted, there you are ready to cut them down). My intention here is not to insult you, but this is an honest observation. Your unprompted initiation of this thread--claiming AN is a safe harbor for newbies--is just ironic...
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Mar 10, '14 : Reason: [/QUOTE] tags
  10. Visit  Ruby Vee profile page
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    Quote from kanzi monkey
    But you ostracize newbies on AN all the time...
    Just because it's anonymous doesn't mean your harsh comments to new nurses, students, pre-nurses aren't taken to heart (and not in a good way). I've been on AN for a while now, and I find myself wincing at your reflexive responses to novices (and I swear whenever a newbie thread is posted, there you are ready to cut them down). My intention here is not to insult you, but this is an honest observation. Your unprompted initiation of this thread--claiming AN is a safe harbor for newbies--is just ironic...
    I don't think I've ever "ostracized" someone just for being new, or even new and ignorant. Both of those conditions are temporary and fixable. Now someone who is new, ignorant and refuses to learn in the face of new information, or someone new with a horrible attitude or someone new who disrespects the seasoned nurses they encounter, them I may try to educate. After a few attempts to educate the uneducable, it's tough to just let the nonsense continue . . . .

    I think you'll find that if you're new, ask a question and have a good attitude about answers you don't agree with, I can be very helpful. I didn't get all those "LIKES" just for being cutting to innocent posters who wandered in looking for advice with good intentions. There's a difference between being "to the point" or honest and being "ostracizing."
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Mar 10, '14 : Reason: [/QUOTE] tags
  11. Visit  amygarside profile page
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    Me neither. I always welcome new members. I would love to learn from them.
  12. Visit  Mn nurse 22 profile page
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    I have learned a lot from AN and appreciate the honesty in some of the responses. No, the OP might not get the answer they were hoping for, but they usually get the truth from a lot of nurses who have "been there, done that".

    thank you all for your honesty and willingness to take time to answer all of our questions
  13. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from kanzi monkey
    But you ostracize newbies on AN all the time...
    Just because it's anonymous doesn't mean your harsh comments to new nurses, students, pre-nurses aren't taken to heart (and not in a good way). I've been on AN for a while now, and I find myself wincing at your reflexive responses to novices (and I swear whenever a newbie thread is posted, there you are ready to cut them down). My intention here is not to insult you, but this is an honest observation. Your unprompted initiation of this thread--claiming AN is a safe harbor for newbies--is just ironic...
    ​Many people mistake someone being blunt/giving the unvarnished truth for being "mean." If her posts were so ruthless, I doubt they'd still be visible. If your post wasn't meant to insult, I hate to say it but you missed the mark.
    Last edit by OCNRN63 on Mar 10, '14 : Reason: [/QUOTE] tags
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  14. Visit  kanzi monkey profile page
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    Ruby Vee-- I think that sometimes you make an assumption that someone who is new is ignorant based on, well, I don't know what. Tone? Which is obviously difficult in an online forum. I doubt it's intentional , (lol, I don't know you) and you do post a lot of interesting, quality, thoughtful stuff. (Like a lot. Holy cow you have a lot of posts). I'm sorry if I come across as confrontational, but sometimes your responses to new peeps (who maybe are trying too hard to sound like they know what they are talking about to impress you?) are actually harsh where they don't need to be. It strikes a nerve--when I was new I was kind of like that, and I was just trying to comprehend my profession and reconcile myself within it. It was emotionally complex, and there were some nurses--nurses with experience that should have known better-- who detected weakness and tried to devour me. It was a rough start. It got better, but for awhile I was like "oh holy $#|+ *** did I do I don't fit in and I don't want to be here". Choosing a profession like nursing (and paying for the education!) is not a choice taken lightly (at least, that's the assumption I would make about strangers in an online forum). It makes me sad to see some, albeit awkward or overly-wordy, nurses or pre-nurses discouraged from the life choices that they have made--without solid evidence that they, indeed, should reconsider their career choice. That's all. Didn't mean to hijack the thread, and again, didn't mean to insult.

    Kan
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  15. Visit  GrnTea profile page
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    Quote from kanzi monkey
    But you ostracize newbies on AN all the time...
    Just because it's anonymous doesn't mean your harsh comments to new nurses, students, pre-nurses aren't taken to heart (and not in a good way). I've been on AN for a while now, and I find myself wincing at your reflexive responses to novices (and I swear whenever a newbie thread is posted, there you are ready to cut them down). My intention here is not to insult you, but this is an honest observation. Your unprompted initiation of this thread--claiming AN is a safe harbor for newbies--is just ironic...
    Ostracism is not the same thing as criticism. If we were to ostracize newbies we wouldn't speak to them, wouldn't respond to their posts, and would completely ignore them and let them sink or swim. We wouldn't care what happened to them. If we were at work with them, we wouldn't sit with them at lunch or carpool or invite them out for drinks after work. That's ostracism.

    You are clearly confusing ostracism with lack of unconditional acceptance and support. What you think are reflex responses to newbie misconceptions look that way because, like many reflexes, they get triggered by the same stimuli all the time. It's not because the triggers for these responses come from newbies (though they do, more often than anyone else). It's because the triggers come from newbies, if that makes any sense.

    Correcting misapprehensions that come from people who are, quite literally, clueless isn't personal. It's because we care enough to help save their bacon for the time when they aren't at their keyboards writing to/reading AN. It is, again quite literally, the safest place for newbies to learn.

    Learning here doesn't involve making a med error, getting in trouble with a family, running afoul of the unwritten rule about ******** off the cranky staffing coordinator on Friday, or giving inadequate assessment data to a physician. Hearing corrective advice from us here helps them avoid getting in genuine trouble for all of that, and more. I think that's what Ruby means, and there's no irony there at all.

    The irony is that other clueless people don't see how valuable this kind of advice is, and in encouraging others to disregard it, they compound the difficulty coming at the original posters. That's irony.


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