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  1. by   telenurse04
    Yes, I agree these individuals are ignorant. First, nurses can independently draw blood as all us nurses know. I think if these tech people want to be called nurses then they should develop their profession and get a name like "veternary nurse" VN. After the intensive schooling we nurses go through, take a state boards exam, and keep up on continuing education that we should not let "techs taking care of pets" use our professional name-nurse. To me, that would be like someone calling themselves Doctor when they don't have an MD or phD. We already have enough trouble trying to educate people on the education and professionalism of nurses much less let people call themselves nurses when they are not. Nursing education is too confusing to lay-people as it is.

    I wish I could have accessed that forum to educate these people. But, I have a feeling they wouldn't be open to becomming educated.
  2. by   telenurse04
    What is the education of "vet tech"? My nursing professor explained yesterday that for the federal goverment to recognize as someone as a professional, they have to have a bachelors degree at the very least. That does not make sense when ADN nurses can be RN's. Also, my mom (non-nursing person) is a professional..but she never went to college. So I think that is a weird definition of professional.

    But, I agree that BSN nurses are better prepared to take care of groups of people and society than ADN nurses therefore they are better prepared and more professional. I am certainly NOT knocking ADN programs. I was an ADN graduate. However, in my RN-BSN program we are learning about legislative issues in health care, how to change policies, what nurse managers and administrators do, what nursing reserach is about..none of that I learned in my ADN program. If I didn't go through the RN-BSN program, I would be lost when it comes to issues beyond the bedside care of my patient. If nurses want to be empowered to take control of their work, they need to know about the larger picture. Devils advocate...sure if you are an ADN graduate and you work for years and years..you'll eventually pick up on some political savvyness and maybe even be offered education on reserach and do your own reserach through your employer.
  3. by   orrnlori
    Yes, I've taken those "advanced" BSN classes that teach you all that ideal information about making changes to the healthcare system. I hate to inform you that it doesn't matter what your bachelor's level nursing instructor teaches, you're still going to deal with the same administration that's going to tell you no or worse yet, not even addresss your nursely concerns that you have been taught so carefully by your nursing instructor. That's another fallacy of nursing education (kind of like those infamous care plans you suffer over during the first years in school). It's a business first and it doesn't matter if you have a master's degree in nursing, if they don't want to listen they won't.

    I could care less if those who take care of my scotties when needed refer to themselves as vet nurses. I hope they do a great job. As far as the poster's on the other board, they obviously know not of where they speak. So what else in new ?
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from telenurse04
    But, I agree that BSN nurses are better prepared to take care of groups of people and society than ADN nurses therefore they are better prepared and more professional. I am certainly NOT knocking ADN programs. I was an ADN graduate. However, in my RN-BSN program we are learning about legislative issues in health care, how to change policies, what nurse managers and administrators do, what nursing reserach is about..none of that I learned in my ADN program. If I didn't go through the RN-BSN program, I would be lost when it comes to issues beyond the bedside care of my patient. If nurses want to be empowered to take control of their work, they need to know about the larger picture. Devils advocate...sure if you are an ADN graduate and you work for years and years..you'll eventually pick up on some political savvyness and maybe even be offered education on reserach and do your own reserach through your employer.

    I am sorry ----But you post has really touched on nerves w/me today.

    You are being fed the same propoganda my first RN-BSN program fed me, day in and out. I don't want to go onto a huge ADN/BSN debate but let me say--- use your critical thinking and realize the stuff you being told and why it is in the universities' best interests to say these things!

    BSN's are NOT prepared better to take care of people! Think about that before you say it. Their education is does NOT make them better able to care for people or be better nurses--- it makes them more eligible to advance in management and other areas. LORD, I hate when people buy into these things self-serving universities feed them. Go to any floor, watch the nurses at work and without knowing more about them, point out the BSN versus the ADN nurse. Good luck!

    And you think ADN's have no POLITICAL SAVVINESS---- REALLY?????

    How long HAVE you been a nurse? Are you a member of ANY professional organization like I AM? DO YOU VOTE ? Are you politically active? DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO PROFESSIONAL JOURNALS? IF SO, guess what, you CAN be politically-savvy with "just" an ADN!

    PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! This post was highly insulting to those of us who are ADN's and CAN think for ourselves. I am working on a BSN myself (scenic route to say the least), but I would NEVER make statements like you are. I guess I can see clearly what many universities are trying to do. Talk about politics at its finest. I know better. Don't let university indoctrination and brainwashing prevent you from seeking a REAL education out there.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Apr 9, '04
  5. by   orrnlori
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I am sorry ----But you post has really touched on nerves w/me today.

    You are being fed the same propoganda my first RN-BSN program fed me, day in and out. I don't want to go onto a huge ADN/BSN debate but let me say--- use your critical thinking and realize the stuff you being told and why it is in the universities' best interests to say these things!

    BSN's are NOT prepared better to take care of people! Think about that before you say it. Their education is does NOT make them better able to care for people or be better nurses--- it makes them more eligible to advance in management and other areas. LORD, I hate when people buy into these things self-serving universities feed them. Go to any floor, watch the nurses at work and without knowing more about them, point out the BSN versus the ADN nurse. Good luck!

    And you think ADN's have no POLITICAL SAVVINESS---- REALLY?????

    How long HAVE you been a nurse? Are you a member of ANY professional organization like I AM? DO YOU VOTE ? Are you politically active? DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO PROFESSIONAL JOURNALS? IF SO, guess what, you CAN be politically-savvy with "just" an ADN!

    PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! This post was highly insulting to those of us who are ADN's and CAN think for ourselves. I am working on a BSN myself (scenic route to say the least), but I would NEVER make statements like you are. I guess I can see clearly what many universities are trying to do. Talk about politics at its finest. I know better. Don't let university indoctrination and brainwashing prevent you from seeking a REAL education out there.
    You are soooooooo right.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from telenurse04
    To me, that would be like someone calling themselves Doctor when they don't have an MD or phD.

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    They ARE: HOW about D.C. and D.O. And D.D.S. and D.V.M. to name a few----they are ALL called "doctor" and NO ONE GETS CONFUSED I know of.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I have vehemently defended the name "nurse" for human nursing only. I have rethought my position since then. I think the term "veterinary nurse" would be fine-----with some of the stipulations others have already mentioned. Board certification and consistency of education and preparation seem reasonable to me. Why NOT? IF they get degrees and pass certs and are competent as such then to me, they will have earned that title as much as an LPN or RN has in similar fashion. Why not V.N.? I think they will have earned it.
  8. by   Ortho_RN
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I have vehemently defended the name "nurse" for human nursing only. I have rethought my position since then. I think the term "veterinary nurse" would be fine-----with some of the stipulations others have already mentioned. Board certification and consistency of education and preparation seem reasonable to me. Why NOT? IF they get degrees and pass certs and are competent as such then to me, they will have earned that title as much as an LPN or RN has in similar fashion. Why not V.N.? I think they will have earned it.
    THANK YOU!!!

    The sad thing is about the Vet Tech field is that it is so not regulated. Veterinarians can get away with hiring someone with no animal experiance and train them to do Tech work... But most do go to school and get an Associates in Veterinary Technology, have to take State and Local Exam to become Certified/Registered/Licensed and have to have CE hours to maintain their license... So they actually do go through the same thing as human nurses... How can anyone get "Veterinary Nurse=VN" Confused with Registered Nurse=RN... Seems quite impossible to me..

    And honestly if they were called VN and they ALL had to go through schooling I would feel much better about them caring for my furrbabies,, than if they were just on the job trained... Wouldn't you??
  9. by   Gompers
    Quote from Idiopathik
    On a side note, I think you all should be aware of a "hot topic" in vet med currently - the use of yearly vaccinations for dogs and cats. Multiple studies have shown that immunizations given in the puppy or kitten series have long lasting immunity, and annual vaccinations are not necessary. There are also negative side effects from all this over-vaccination, namely, vaccination-induced sarcomas in cats, and hemolytic anemias in dogs, caused by immune hyperstimulation.
    Thanks for the heads-up! Our cats have always been strays that "found" us and basically invited themselves into our lives. Once tamed, we take them in for neutering, initial bloodwork, and vaccines...and that's it. Of course if they're sick or hurt we take them in, but we've refused yearly vaccines and all of our cats have lived to at least 12-13 years. Pretty good for indoor/outdoor cats that like to eat mice and fight with the neighborhood animals. I do love most of the vets at our animal hospital. One of our cats has FIV and many people were telling us to put him down, because he'd die anyway and probably infect our other cats. Every one of those vets told us that was nonsense and that if we wanted him put down, they'd refuse and take him to be adopted instead. We didn't have a problem with his FIV status, and in the 5 years we've had him none of our others are infected. (He, of course gets some nasty infections and needs ABX at least once a year, but this might happen anyway because he's a tomcat who loves to fight.)

    This whole thread is just very interesting!
  10. by   PedsNurse1981
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I am sorry ----But you post has really touched on nerves w/me today.

    You are being fed the same propoganda my first RN-BSN program fed me, day in and out. I don't want to go onto a huge ADN/BSN debate but let me say--- use your critical thinking and realize the stuff you being told and why it is in the universities' best interests to say these things!

    BSN's are NOT prepared better to take care of people! Think about that before you say it. Their education is does NOT make them better able to care for people or be better nurses--- it makes them more eligible to advance in management and other areas. LORD, I hate when people buy into these things self-serving universities feed them. Go to any floor, watch the nurses at work and without knowing more about them, point out the BSN versus the ADN nurse. Good luck!

    And you think ADN's have no POLITICAL SAVVINESS---- REALLY?????

    How long HAVE you been a nurse? Are you a member of ANY professional organization like I AM? DO YOU VOTE ? Are you politically active? DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO PROFESSIONAL JOURNALS? IF SO, guess what, you CAN be politically-savvy with "just" an ADN!

    PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! This post was highly insulting to those of us who are ADN's and CAN think for ourselves. I am working on a BSN myself (scenic route to say the least), but I would NEVER make statements like you are. I guess I can see clearly what many universities are trying to do. Talk about politics at its finest. I know better. Don't let university indoctrination and brainwashing prevent you from seeking a REAL education out there.
    Thank you for defending those of us out there who JUST have their ADN! I was pretty insulted by that post as well.

    One thing I want to add, what is being a nurse about in the first place??? Knowing what administration does, or knowing how to take care of the patient??? If you can take care of the patient and that's the job you're hired to do, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER IF A NURSE HAS THEIR ADN VS BSN?????
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Til regulation and certification come into play, I guess techs will need to see why nurses have a problem w/them adopting the title of "nurse". As pointed out before, too many unlicensed and inappropriate personnel are ALREADY taking the name "nurse" in vain, illegally, I might add. I think IF vet tech were a certifiable position, and consistent, we would not have such heartache with the term vet nurse being used then. JMO.
  12. by   smk1
    why does it seem like lately every post has to go into the adn-bsn thing? and those who do bring it up why are insulting comments such as "BSN nurses are "better" brought up? do you not read the boards and know that people get offended by this? in any case this thread is about VET TECHS and NURSES not BSN vs ADN. And i agree that if they define a clear educational standard and are no longer allowed to be trained on the job, and they have the same CCU requirements and licensing exams then I would be on board with them becoming VN's (same as the VEterenarian is a "doctor") the issue is that CURRENTLY they are not standardized and they have not gained the LEGAL right to the name so as of right now, they just shouldn't be using it. thats the bottom line inmho.
  13. by   CarVsTree
    The sad thing is about the Vet Tech field is that it is so not regulated. Veterinarians can get away with hiring someone with no animal experiance and train them to do Tech work...
    It's not that different from the medical field. For example, girl comes in takes your vitals, everyone including herself and the MD refer to her as the nurse. Turns out she is a licensed or perhaps even unlicensed medical assistant.

    I know that I worked for a vet as a vet "tech" when I was just out of high school. They got away with it 'cause who is watching (just like MD's offices). However, across town at the Animal Medical Center (big hospital in NYC for animals) they were more strict about licensed techs.

    Veterinary Nurse, why not? There is nothing in the definition of nurse that says it has to be a human receiving the nursing. However, it will not solve the problem of unlicensed personnel being referred to deceitfully as nurse with no formal education. Just like in private practice.

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