The student nurse - page 3

by musickx2

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How do you feel about working with a student nurse? How comfortable are you with the student nurse basically taking over your patients and paper work while you observe? If you are not comfortable with the student taking your... Read More


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    Quote from wish_me_luck
    It's your opinion and you are entitled to it RNsRWe. And I respect that. I just get irritated because there are multiple posts about frustration with students. If you do not want them, just say so. It saves everyone. That's my point. I am done. Yes, some nurses love students and love seeing that bulb go off with the "aha moment" and others get behind and rather not have them. To each their own.
    Can I just put a thought out there, something to think about before we part ways?

    When you find multiple posts concerning frustration with students, I'd like you to think about the possibility that the nurse(s) writing them have had some GREAT students. They've had some really terrific encounters with some really talented students, and that's why they persist with having students...because there are some real gems in the lot.

    But that doesn't mean they don't have some real clankers as well: the students who argue to try to make an impression (and they sure do, boy oh boy), the ones who make mistakes because they don't ask for help, who say they know how to do procedures they don't know how to do. And of course the ones who will just declare "that nurse hates students" when in actuality, that nurse LOVES students, she just can't stand YOU (not you, wish-me-luck, "you" as in "the student").

    I genuinely enjoy teaching students. But that doesn't mean there aren't days when I want to bang my head against a wall and wonder what the profession is coming to.

    Just something to think about.
    jelly221,RN, Nurse Leigh, Fiona59, and 8 others like this.
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    Quote from HalfMarathoner
    I have this weird nostalgia for student nursing and how, looking back, it all seems so easy.
    Please tell me that is how i will feel once i graduate!? I am dreaming of that day!
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    No, I understood it, I simply disagreed. It is possible to agree to disagree without clawing each others eyes out, we all have unique thoughts and personalities, which is what makes this site so very interesting at times.

    I never said you couldn't post, I said your post wasn't necessary, whereas you have pointed out that she is a student and you do not feel she should post on a thread where "the OP asked a question for nurses to answer"...

    And I still don't see anywhere where she said "it's all the nurses fault because we students are puurrrfect"
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    I've been a nurse for less than 5 years and love working with student nurses.
    However, this last week I had the worse student ever that had two of my patients.
    This student had two of my pts and didn't even go in and talk to or introduce
    herself to one of these patients.
    I found this student sitting around most the day. She would ask
    me occasionally if she could help me, but they were unable to do any med passes, so
    I encouraged this student to have some initiative and go into the pts room to ask the
    patient if there was anything they needed.

    It gripes me so bad to see students with no initiative. Please, just go into the pts
    rooms and empty urinals, pick up trays, offer snacks, talk with the patient, or
    feel free to follow me. Just do something other than asking me what you can do all day.
    ProfRN4, Fiona59, KelRN215, and 1 other like this.
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    There's always the, "Remember you were a student too!" posts by students. Guess what, I've been a student AND a nurse. As have all the nurses here. How many students can say that?

    Quote from wish_me_luck
    So, we helped the nurses by doing some of their med passes.
    The fact that you don't realize that isn't exactly all that helpful, just shows your ignorance of the real world of nursing. So I skip the med pass. Even when I've got students with a good instructor, I'm still assessing my patient, making sure they have everything they need, and can't just do my thing of taking care of it all off the bat because I'm trying to let the student have their experience. Then if orders change, instead of just taking care of it, I have to make sure both an instructor who can be with any of her students and the student know about it. EVEN WITH A GOOD INSTRUCTOR AND A GOOD STUDENT.
    Sure, sometimes the techs are happy, since they can ignore a group of patients now, but even when you have a patient, that patient is ultimately MY responsibility, not yours, not your instructor's.

    Quote from RNsRWe
    My turn

    I have always enjoyed having students, some students definitely more than others. Which students have I liked the best? The ones who impress me with intelligent questions, ones that didn't pop out of their mouths not two minutes after I said something that would have preempted the answer, had they been listening. I love students who ask me to show them something they haven't seen, or explain why I did something they didn't understand. The ones that offer to help with or do a task that they DO know how to do, and are eager for the chance to reinforce what they've learned.
    Those I will go out of my way to make sure they get to be involved if anything "fun" happens. Although, I remember imagining in my head that changing a pleurevac would be more exciting than it was. Got some students. Got in the room, realized it was REALLY boring. Told them, "You can go to conference and say you got to see a tube unplugged, then plugged in again!" But I did try.... I mean, supposedly the students like me, apparently I'm super fun. I do let students do everything they're allowed by their school and my hospital to do (and sometimes even a bit more). But it's taking time away from my pee breaks. And instead of walking down the hall the rest of the day, I'm walking briskly and often staying late to catch up on things because students SLOW THINGS DOWN. It's not their fault. It's the nature of the beast. Realizing that though, will totally win a student brownie points, and make me want to give you a better experience. You come in thinking you're doing me a favor? Well, not going to be such a good experience that day.


    Quote from RADIATIONRN2BE
    I also believe that at some facilities it is very hard for the primary RN's to refuse students due to their facility being considered a "teaching hospital".
    There was a while we had students 7 days a week. Sometimes more than one school on the floor at a time. There was just NO BREAK where you could just do your job and go home. And no chairs were ever available, and the breakroom would be taken over by homework. Even when you like having students, it IS extra work. And when you never get a break from that extra work, guess what, it gets old!!!

    Quote from RNsRWe
    That the attitude of "we're helping you guys, you should be happy to see us" might have caused a resentment like I mentioned in my post?
    I was never helpful until I was in my senior practicum and could be trusted to be somewhat independent with some tasks. I was on "task heavy" sort of unit, so my preceptor could send me into a room for a couple hours to do something and not worry about me. Of course, until I got to that point, I was a huge albatross around her neck. So glad she didn't take me to the helipad one day and push me off the roof...

    Quote from RNsRWe
    And of course the ones who will just declare "that nurse hates students" when in actuality, that nurse LOVES students, she just can't stand YOU (not you, wish-me-luck, "you" as in "the student").

    I genuinely enjoy teaching students. But that doesn't mean there aren't days when I want to bang my head against a wall and wonder what the profession is coming to.

    Just something to think about.
    Brava!!!
    Last edit by wooh on Apr 2, '12
    jelly221,RN, ProfRN4, Nurse Leigh, and 7 others like this.
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    Quote from musickx2
    How do you feel about working with a student nurse? How comfortable are you with the student nurse basically taking over your patients and paper work while you observe? If you are not comfortable with the student taking your patient load what do you like your student nurse to do while assigned to you and your patients.
    I want him/her to do everything. That is the only way they will learn.
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    Quote from Merlyn
    I want him/her to do everything. That is the only way they will learn.
    I want a student nurse to walk up and down the halls, go into the rooms, fill up water pitchers, empty urinals, pass out trays, pick up trays, offer coffee, talk with the patient,
    do something, anything! Don't stand or sit around, stand on your feet all day like we do.
    Work on your care plans at home, if your teacher will allow. Don't sit in our chairs at the nurses station. The last student I had gave me a very bad taste and I know it's going to start making me have bad feelings towards future students. :/
    kids, Fiona59, KelRN215, and 4 others like this.
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    Frankly, I think a student nurse should be taking a full assingment, with guidence, by the end of their education. It would prepare them better for the real world when they graduate.
    This idea of having students only taking 1 pt at a time does not prepare them for the real world. Orientation is NOT the time to learn how to manage a full pt load in my opinion. Orientation should be about learning how things are done in this specific hospital/unit, not about how to learn how to manage a full pt load. that should have been done during the last semester of nsg school.
    shoegalRN, Fiona59, Gold_SJ, and 10 others like this.
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    I think its the most saddest thing when experiences nurses 'dislike' the present of student nurses. Where do you think you as an experienced nurse learned your skills? From the FAIRY NURSE?!!!

    Every single one of us started as student nurses scared out of our a*$ and praying that we don't harm our patients. Now student nurses have to worry about hateful nurses who are so darn adamant to Not work with students. I have noticed on my unit the nurses that don't want students, tend to be bitter who are burnt-out and need to get out of nursing! They really have attitude problems. And I am not ashamed to say it!!!!

    I am a nurse, and I love to work with student nurses. They are such a benefit for us nurses! Not only do they ease the pt load for me (no complain from me there) but they truly want to learn and really go out of their way to help out. I love that I can teach someone and know that they will pass on that knowledge to their peers.

    Much appreciation to student nurses! You have a fan in your corner! <3
    leenie45 likes this.
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    Wow Im surprised how many students took the full load of even one patient. When I was in school we were banned from charting in the legal chart. We would do our assessments on a separate sheet and our instructors would evaluate it from there. Also, I feel like we relied heavily on our instructors for advice, and were warned in advance not to take away from the primary nurses duties to his/her other patients. If we were lucky, we would catch the primary RN while she was assessing and we could ask our questions from there. I remember writing all my questions for the day down, and addressing them in post confrence.

    Of course, if there was a pressing or important issue we would always find our instructor immediatly, and if they were unavailable we would find the primary nurse or charge nurse. I dont ever remember having too many issues while in school.

    I do wish that we did have more exposure to the "whole package" as a student, but its pretty unrealistic. We would get to observe an admission/discharge if we were very lucky, but generally did not participate.

    We did things independently as we were signed off, such as vital signs, baths, turns, toileting and so on. But procedures were limited to if our instructor was availble to observe. Occationally, if you had done the procedure with the instructor before (like a dressing change) we could do it the RN if they had the time.

    Overall this routine worked well for us, however I do feel we were underprepared for the real world. Definitely a reality shock. Our goal my last semester was to take on a full load of patients, but in reality it was more like do assessments on all 4 of those patients, and possibly pass meds. Definitely not the entire load by a long shot.


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