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  1. by   jaylynn67
    Quote from jaylynn67
    That sounds absolutely horrible! this is really making me think twice. I have to say, do you think all these conditions would exist if this was a male dominated profession? I dont.


    What about physician's assistant? How is that different from a nurse?
  2. by   debroh1
    Quote from jaylynn67
    That sounds absolutely horrible! this is really making me think twice. I have to say, do you think all these conditions would exist if this was a male dominated profession? I dont.
    My husband is also a nurse at the same facility. It's no better for him than for me. Maybe if there were a larger percentage of male nurses it might help. But we also have a union at our facility and these are the conditions. You have to REALLY want to be a nurse I think to be able to work in Nursing. If the compassion to help is not there than it's not worth it. I think that is what leads to burnout, and people leaving the profession. They don't realize what being a nurse encompasses and when they get out of school it's such a shock for them. People think it's good money for a shorter period of school. If you don't WANT to be a nurse than the conditions will never be acceptable. But if you feel a desire that this is what you want to do with your life than that makes it easier to deal with everything else.
  3. by   Franlpntorn
    Quote from jaylynn67
    i think im doing something wrong here, i thought i posted a reply once, but its not here. im 37, working a dead end job as a secretary, making under 30,000 after working her 10 years. when i found out i could become an rn in two years at night and on weekends, i thought that was great! i really dont even know if i really want to be a nurse, but i know i dont want to be a secretary for the rest of my life. i was originally going to go for phys therapy assistant, but the classes were only during the day, and i cant afford to quit my job to go to school. what is so bad about the working conditions of nurses? i thought nurses made a good living. i do want to help people and make a positive impact on peoples lives, but this discussion is really discouraging to me. what other postions in the healthcare feild would be better? nuclear medicine technichian, occ therapy asst?

    jay
    don't lose heart, we vent becuse this is the only place we can. what we do makes a difference in the lives we touch, we care for a person who unable to do it for them self. we speak for them when they can't. we help the families try to understand why this happen. we do a lot more then the job discription. we are there at 4 am to hold the hand of the pt who is afraid, after they've been told they have cancer. we give our heart and sole to our job's but sometimes we just don't get the respect we feel we should. a pat on the back is nice once and a while. managment get to wrapped up in pt satisfacation and forgets that the nurse is where the bucks stops. it's hard to do your job when you over worked, tired and stress out from 12 hrs of work. some of this come from the stuff we have to do becuse of jaco, to keep certfied so we can take medicare pt and get paid for them ... so we can get paid.
    the job does come with stress but at the end of the day we go home knowing that we did make a differnce. hospitals try to down size and when that happens only the pt suffers. it may take a while for them to under stand it.
    don't get us wrong we love what we do, but no job is 100% ideal. i think we vent so that we find out it's not as bad as we thought it was.
    we need new nurses and ones willing to work at night. vcr's were made for the night nurse.
    so jay please think about it, don't give up on the ideal just yet. things will get better but it will take time. maybe you'll be at the right place at the right time to make happen.
  4. by   mstigerlily
    Frankly, I expected better benefits. It seems strange to me that Vons supermarket employees are paying less for their health insurance with better coverage and lower deductibles than I am. I mean I am a NURSE and I work in a HOSPITAL. You would think that we had better health benefits than someone who checks groceries for a living. Not to mention the hourly wage they get as well.

    Melissa

    Quote from brian
    Here are the results of last months survey question
    Would there be a nursing shortage if nurses were paid better and had better benefits? :



    Please feel free to read and post any comments that you have right here in this discussion thread by clicking the "Post Reply" button.

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  5. by   deandean50
    no. look @ the posts on htis board especially the ones who ask aboyut their low pay. Most are very frustrated, cuz they go to school for years, find a job after a long search and start nursing @ say 11 bucks an hr,,not many would go thru ALl this for almost the same pay rate as flipping burgers,, sore spot as a nurse,,LOW pay,,(mostly cuz one CAN find better paying jobs in other states, ie" Ct, where I live). Or thru an agency as a temp,, better pay,, choose your own assignemnts. IMO
  6. by   jaylynn67
    are you kidding me 11.00 an hour?? i think maybe when you started nursing thats what it was? i would HOPE that most nursing jobs start at over 20 an hour. I make 15 right now as a secretary. I really cant believe how pessimistic alot of these posts are.
  7. by   mattsmom81
    Sadly most nurses simply resign themselves to the shytty conditions and put up with things once they find a place where they have SOME positives. I can put up with a lot if I'm working around good people who cover each other's backsides, and support one another. Nursing has turned into a competitive dog eat dog type environment in too many places.

    I would NEVER work anywhere that mandated overtime or insisted I clock out on time then return on my own time to finish (this second one is against the law by the way...but I also know many nurses do this for their own peace of mind)

    It has gotten to the point that I no longer can take good care of my patients AND also, within the designated shift, keep up with the paperwork and tech systems for the facility. We are expected to do more with less...but these are people's lives hanging in the balance. Hard row to hoe.
  8. by   Gottago
    Quote from lizz
    Statistics from the U.S. Department of Health and Labor actually prove this is true.

    In 2000 the Health Department found that teachers were making $14,000 a year more than RN's. When you calculate the difference on an hourly basis, teachers make even more because they have a lot more time off than RN's do.

    Why do teachers make more? 42 percent of teachers belong to a union, while only 19 percent of RN's do.

    Yet, the few RN's who do belong to a union still do better than non-union Rn's. In 2003, the Labor Department reported that union RN's made, on average, $7,000 a year more than non-union RN's.

    This doesn't include other benefits that unions negotiate on behalf of nurses, such as patient ratios, restrictions on mandatory overtime, retirement benefits, etc.

    Union workers across the board, in all industries, do better as well. In 2004, the Labor Department also reported that union workers made, on average, $9,000 more a year than non-union workers.

    The more unionized a profession is, the more money they make. So, unions do make a difference when it comes to pay.

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    Last edit by Gottago on Aug 23, '05
  9. by   silly sunshine
    Quote from brian
    Here are the results of last months survey question
    Would there be a nursing shortage if nurses were paid better and had better benefits? :



    Please feel free to read and post any comments that you have right here in this discussion thread by clicking the "Post Reply" button.

    Thanks
    They wouldn't hurt. I gave up a better job with great bennies and pay to become a nurse. I do agree that if management treated us with better respect, encourging the positive that we accomplish than up our rears when we've done something wrong ( usually a small detail on paperwork) our work enviorment would increase ten fold. The atta boy's are in the basement, while one tiny flaw is screamed to the world, makes one less likely to give it ur all as it should be. There's way to many great nurses out there that quit their profession D/T to this attitude. What a shame! I every day ? why I became a nurse because of the shabby treatment nurses recieve from upper managment. Give us Kodo's for a job well done and advice where we could have done different on a job not up to grade. Not always pointing to the negative, does nothing but bring u down. Thus makeing us feel less than we are, instead of bringing us up to improve ourselves for the benifit of all.
  10. by   Nancy2
    I once had a job that paid REALLY well as nurse. I thought it was actually more than I should have been paid. The work was interesting and the patient load was 1:1 and none of my patients were critically ill. The job itself was wonderful!!!!!!! I really got to give great mursing care and use my brain/ I was invoved in diagnostic studies...However, my manager was awful! She was constantly looking for the negative and made going to work something I dreaded only because of the environment she created. When she would go on vacation the unit ran very smoothly and everyone got along famously. She'd be back for 2 days and the caos would start. The problem was, she was best friends outside of work with our director! Where to go? I tried the chain of command and found the pressure got even tighter on me. I left that facility after 16 years because of this situation.
    Next I worked for a smaller hospital for much less money but had a great manager that encouraged and mentored and was MUCH happier. I don't think it's the money or the work....I just think some PEOPLE SUCK!!!
  11. by   Jessy_RN
    I am not a nurse, but based on what I have heard from nurses and family members who are......the number one thing is better working conditions and overall RESPECT. The money in part is an issue, but mostly the benefits. Some move on to different careers for the sole idea of a secured retirement.

    A shortage will still exist since the supply is not meeting the demand....but a lot less IMO.
  12. by   itsy-bitsy
    if administration would brook no nonsense from the docs who treat nurses like dirt (or patients & families, for that matter), then more would stay. it's one thing to be a little growly because you've had a rough day, or are in pain or worried--it's a whole 'nother matter when you're given tacit permission to vent your spleen on someone who's wants to help you do what is best for the patient, or who is there to help you/your loved one.
  13. by   xrockstheheart
    Jessica what the ### are you doing on the forum putting in your two cents worth when many people on this forum are trying to resolve some life threatening issues? the shortage of nurses can be relative or absolute. if it is absolute it is a question of not being able to do the work because it exceeds the amount of work a human being is capable of doing. If it is relative it means the staff does not have the experience to handle the patients or the acuity. In either case we have a nursing shortage precisely because nurses put up with it, go union.
    Quote from JessicaGmz
    I am not a nurse, but based on what I have heard from nurses and family members who are......the number one thing is better working conditions and overall RESPECT. The money in part is an issue, but mostly the benefits. Some move on to different careers for the sole idea of a secured retirement.

    A shortage will still exist since the supply is not meeting the demand....but a lot less IMO.

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