Survey: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortag - page 9

This month's survey Question: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortage? Please take a minute to take answer our survey and please feel free to reply to... Read More

  1. by   suzanne4
    You need to read up on your facts first...............There are no more temporary work permits being issued to nurses. The are no longer being sponsored for a work permit. The only way that they can legally work in the US is with a green card, as a permanent resident, or with a NAFTA TN Visa if they are a citizen of Canada or Mexico. Either way, eveyone must now pass the full set of English exams and go thru the Visa Screen process.
    Before, many of the nurses never even passed TOEFL. But those things have changed and now the nurses' English skills must be equivalent to those of a native speaker.

    Any nurse in the US on an H1-B visa is not getting it renewed. They will either have to complete the requirements for a green card or they will have to leave the country.

    Green card rulings state that the nurse must get equal pay............temporary visas do not require this................
    Last edit by suzanne4 on Jun 17, '04
  2. by   Rep
    Sometimes you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. Come to America. I voted for foreign nurses. Not all of us are closed minded.

    :chuckle[/QUOTE]


    Yeah, I agree with you. Thank you!
  3. by   Nemhain
    No, I don't think we should recruit them, especially nurses from countries who already have a shortage (South Africa).
    Last edit by Nemhain on Jun 17, '04
  4. by   Rep
    Quote from destinystar
    :angryfire nurses here are being denied positions in preference to lower paid ip's from foreign countries. i dont think that a health care organization should be allowed to give a foreign nurse a postion if there is a us citizen who is willing to take it. it has brought the us nurses down. like employers out here will always hire a foreign nurse willing to be paid terrible wages over a us nurse who wants a fair wage. in california it is a major factor for nurses not wanting to work in the field anymore. employers here are so brazen to say that they prefer a foreign nurse to a us nurse because they are easier to push around, will work extra shifts, etc. many of the foreign nurses have complained about their poor treatment, wages, etc. but state they are forced to put up with it to maintain their sponsorship for a work permit. not there cause they want to be their. refuse to be a voice in improving working conditions.

    you can say "no" anytime but check your facts before you become so paranoid of foreign nurses. foreign nurses coming to america are on immigrant visa. which means they have the same equal rights as that of the americans except the right to vote. . therefore they are being paid according to what your labor laws stipulate. they have the voice to complain because they are legal residents unlike those who enter the us illegally. if you think these nurses working overtime, it is not they are forced but it is their willingness to take the job/shift when others are just thinking of a quiet evening ahead. now, you say who will take that shift? it's the foreign nurses!
  5. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Nemhain
    No, I don't think we should recruit them, especially nurses from countries who already have a shortage (South Africa).

    And what about the countries that don't have a shortage?
  6. by   suzanne4
    Quote from rep
    you can say "no" anytime but check your facts before you become so paranoid of foreign nurses. foreign nurses coming to america are on immigrant visa. which means they have the same equal rights as that of the americans except the right to vote. . therefore they are being paid according to what your labor laws stipulate. they have the voice to complain because they are legal residents unlike those who enter the us illegally. if you think these nurses working overtime, it is not they are forced but it is their willingness to take the job/shift when others are just thinking of a quiet evening ahead. now, you say who will take that shift? it's the foreign nurses!
    bravo!

    and i am an american nurse who has always loved working with foreign nurses. if you open your eyes, you may even learn something from them.
  7. by   lifeisbeautiful
    Quote from Rep
    They have the voice to complain because they are legal residents unlike those who enter the US illegally. overtime, it is not they are forced but it Now, you say who will take that shift? It's the foreign nurses!
    Yes, they have the voice to complain, so I wish ALL would use it! !! I see many foreign nurses doing things or keeping quiet because they don't want to look "difficult", when they are mearly standing up for their rights. It is a control issue that the hospital has on them. I think it is very unfair for them to feel scared to stand up for themselves (like taking a shift because they don't want to say "no" and have to deal with a cold shoulder from a manager ). I see many foreign nurses skipping breaks and lunch because they "want to get all of their work completed before they go home". My response "If you have to skip your breaks and lunch to complete all of your work, they are giving you to much work" Nobody should have to skip breaks and lunches, ever! I just hate watching people get used.
  8. by   NurseDiva04
    I have to agree with Darlene. I have been accepted to a 12 month BSN program but no money to fund it!


    Quote from Darlene K.
    I don't have a problem with foreign nurses coming here to work. But I do feel that the funding used to recruit them should be invested in american citizens that would like the opportunity to go to nursing school but can't afford to.
  9. by   fergus51
    Quote from lifeisbeautiful
    Yes, they have the voice to complain, so I wish ALL would use it! !! I see many foreign nurses doing things or keeping quiet because they don't want to look "difficult", when they are mearly standing up for their rights. It is a control issue that the hospital has on them. I think it is very unfair for them to feel scared to stand up for themselves (like taking a shift because they don't want to say "no" and have to deal with a cold shoulder from a manager ). I see many foreign nurses skipping breaks and lunch because they "want to get all of their work completed before they go home". My response "If you have to skip your breaks and lunch to complete all of your work, they are giving you to much work" Nobody should have to skip breaks and lunches, ever! I just hate watching people get used.
    I see the same thing from American nurses. The martyr syndrome is alive and well in nursing.
  10. by   Rep
    Quote from lifeisbeautiful
    Yes, they have the voice to complain, so I wish ALL would use it! !! .

    Yes, I wish all American nurses can complain, then this thread regarding foreign recruitment of nurses for American hospitals would have never been started. You know why? Because hospital employers would be hiring American nurses, paying them higher salaries, no overtime, "good working condition" and maybe no night shifts to think of. One wrong move on the part of the employers will bring the whole army of American nurses on the warpath. No more hiring of "cheap foreign labor" and everybody is happy.

    As of the meantime, none of this thing is happening.
    Last edit by Rep on Jun 18, '04
  11. by   swhyte
    My dear you do sound very upset about the recuitment of foreign nurses. As I have said before nursing is universal.We should be able to work where ever we feel like. Yes I am a foreign nurse a very good one too. Very fluent in english and french.We are use to our 4 straight 12hour shifts in a week,then three days off and back for another 3 straight 12 hour shifts. We do this because we are not in this profession to pay our mortages,car payments etc.I am pretty sure that when nursing becomes " JOB"for us we will quit.It was never about the money.Its all about seeing our patients smile, say thank you, and go home to their families being well. Almost all of the responses to this survey is about money.Of course we do need money to pay our bills but at the rate at how most of you go about it ,its like to hell with patient care.... no money ' I am quitting. Is the working condition in your country so bad for nurses that so many thousand nurses quit their jobs? I believe there is a beef going on for foreign nurses. Most of what has being said breeds and harboured hatered.We are supposed to be professionals. Not hate mongers of others who wants to explore and learn new things. You all should be embracing diversity. Take the forgein nurses share your knowledge dont beat them down because they are being paid more than you to do the same job. Find out why this is happening. We like school we are big on education most of us are MN prepared and has post RN training in speciality areas.We did not ask our government to pay tutition for us. Some of us worked two jobs to get to where we are at this time.No gold spoon or hand outs. If you need something badly go for it. Dont try to blame others if they demand theirs. Has any one heard of NAFTA? well that has given us Canadian Nurses the opportunity to live and work in your country. You could come to Canada too
    its beautiful, clean and the people here are friendly. We are bilingual and multicultured and we love to give others a chance. So you all need to wake up from your childish and selfish sleep and meet the dawn of tomorrow.We are all nurses providing a service. Family Focus and Patient
    Centred Care.I AM PRETTY SURE THIS IS NOT WHAT FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE INTENDED. LOVE YOU ALL.
  12. by   Rep
    Quote from swhyte
    My dear you do sound very upset about the recuitment of foreign nurses. As I have said before nursing is universal.We should be able to work where ever we feel like. Yes I am a foreign nurse a very good one too. Very fluent in english and french.We are use to our 4 straight 12hour shifts in a week,then three days off and back for another 3 straight 12 hour shifts. We do this because we are not in this profession to pay our mortages,car payments etc.I am pretty sure that when nursing becomes " JOB"for us we will quit.It was never about the money.Its all about seeing our patients smile, say thank you, and go home to their families being well. Almost all of the responses to this survey is about money.Of course we do need money to pay our bills but at the rate at how most of you go about it ,its like to hell with patient care.... no money ' I am quitting. Is the working condition in your country so bad for nurses that so many thousand nurses quit their jobs? I believe there is a beef going on for foreign nurses. Most of what has being said breeds and harboured hatered.We are supposed to be professionals. Not hate mongers of others who wants to explore and learn new things. You all should be embracing diversity. Take the forgein nurses share your knowledge dont beat them down because they are being paid more than you to do the same job. Find out why this is happening. We like school we are big on education most of us are MN prepared and has post RN training in speciality areas.We did not ask our government to pay tutition for us. Some of us worked two jobs to get to where we are at this time.No gold spoon or hand outs. If you need something badly go for it. Dont try to blame others if they demand theirs. Has any one heard of NAFTA? well that has given us Canadian Nurses the opportunity to live and work in your country. You could come to Canada too
    its beautiful, clean and the people here are friendly. We are bilingual and multicultured and we love to give others a chance. So you all need to wake up from your childish and selfish sleep and meet the dawn of tomorrow.We are all nurses providing a service. Family Focus and Patient
    Centred Care.I AM PRETTY SURE THIS IS NOT WHAT FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE INTENDED. LOVE YOU ALL.



    Very well said. I totally agree with you.
  13. by   suzanne4
    Quote from NurseDiva04
    I have to agree with Darlene. I have been accepted to a 12 month BSN program but no money to fund it!

    If someone is going to pay money for something, wouldn't you pay for what you know is a sure thing; rather than take a chance?

    Unfortunately, the number of students that now begin nursing school, and the number that actually graduate from the same program is quite, quite different. The drop-out rate is truly significant. Why do you think that is? Many are going in to nursing now because they lost thier job in another field.
    Nursing is now fashionable, wasn't a few years ago...........when many of you went into computers or business because that was where the money was, and now???? Most of us old-timers in the field remember what it was like whe you could make more money working at a supermarket, but we loved what we were doing and are doing now. Foreign nurses that are coming to the US have degrees as a nurse, have to pass a nursing exam prior to coming, as well as a full set of English exams. If a hospital or company invests whatever amount for you to go to school, what guarantee do they have that you will complete the program?

    And there is money out there, if you look hard enough.....there are many hospitals that will pay your tuition in exchange for you working for them for a few years. AS I always say, sometimes you have to go "outside the box."

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