Survey: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortag - page 22

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  1. by   nursel56
    You're right, Zookeeper. It is appalling how far nurses have slid back. I don't know about all these so called advocates and activists in nursing "to increase professional profile" blah de blah blah edu-speak are living in an academic dream world, I guess.

    I remember a while back someone asked, "are there any nurses without health insurance?" Like she expected maybe 1 or 2 replies. Just tonight I've discovered that the cheapest PPO offered to my co-worker was $700/mo. It is literally getting to the point that our Medi-caid patients are offering to give nurses their surplus supplies. I've heard that some have actually had their prescriptions filled in the Medi-caid patient's name because they cannot afford things Singulair and Advair.

    Though I'm not positive this is caused by the influx of foreign nurses - this should not be happening!! Something is seriously messed up when a nurse cares for a patient who is getting at no cost the very benefit she is functionally barred from having.

    I really have to reach deep in myself not to feel resentful and depressed as I hold the shards of what used to be, in my hands.
  2. by   RNCoastiewife
    Hire the new grads!!
  3. by   smartnurse1982
    Quote from nursel56
    You're right, Zookeeper. It is appalling how far nurses have slid back. I don't know about all these so called advocates and activists in nursing "to increase professional profile" blah de blah blah edu-speak are living in an academic dream world, I guess.

    I remember a while back someone asked, "are there any nurses without health insurance?" Like she expected maybe 1 or 2 replies. Just tonight I've discovered that the cheapest PPO offered to my co-worker was $700/mo. It is literally getting to the point that our Medi-caid patients are offering to give nurses their surplus supplies. I've heard that some have actually had their prescriptions filled in the Medi-caid patient's name because they cannot afford things Singulair and Advair.

    Though I'm not positive this is caused by the influx of foreign nurses - this should not be happening!! Something is seriously messed up when a nurse cares for a patient who is getting at no cost the very benefit she is functionally barred from having.

    I really have to reach deep in myself not to feel resentful and depressed as I hold the shards of what used to be, in my hands.
    See,I'm all confused. I was just on the adn to bsn thread and then I read from you guys that nursing is going backwards. I guess they directly tie in to each other because some make it seem the reason we aren't treated like anything is because we don't have bsn as the entry level. I guess everyone has good points. The main reson I keep reading about employers bringing foreign nurses over is because they are more educated and have bsn's. Now I don't know how true that is,but if that's the case,why do they pay them less if they have bsn degrees? Or is that a myth that they get paid less?

    Its funny you mention about the health care costs because I posted it,because I didn't think that many nurses would not have health insurance. But wiat,there are some who would tell me its my fault for staying on that job that has the expensive health insurance,you know the "personal responsiblity" crowd.
  4. by   nursel56
    I think that not everyone makes a direct correlation between nurses being perceived as professionals on the par of doctors, for example (I think the entry-level BSN is intended to correct that perception) and the nuts and bolts realities of wages, benefits, and how the corporate entities that own hospitals view their nurses now-a-days. I respect the viewpoints of the academic and research oriented nurses, but I do think there must have been something of a disconnect, because as far as I know, facilities that hire both ADNs and BSNs don't have separate wage and benefit tracks. My completely unscientific opinion is that the academic world of nursing developed alongside the corporatization and customer service world without intertwining very much.

    There are so many different opinions flying around about how much more or less a degree is in different countries I honestly don't pay too much attention to it anymore. I've had people tell me they are an MD in the Phillipines, but they "have to work as a nurse" here. I just go by what I see. Same with wages. I don't want to know most of the time, because I might just get all upset about it, and there isn't much I can do.

    I won't let anyone guilt trip me by saying it's irresponsible of me not to have health insurance when it likely will cost at least what my rent does and 3 times as much as food does. I don't use the phrase "blaming the victim" very often but in this case it certainly applies. Maybe those people who say that are talking about single young people with no children- I don't know. But it doesn't take much to bump it up out of reach for the average family member, and if you add a pre-existing condition-- if they take you at all, you will pay a huge premium.
  5. by   invernessfl
    This is what's called a race to the bottom. Also, there's a moral aspect to it. Think about: if we take nurses from another country then the citizens of that country will suffer from a nursing shortage. Also nurses are expensive to train. Take the society of Peru: it costs a certain amount of money to train nurses, then they leave and come here. Obviously the US benefits from getting a nurse without training them but Peru suffers doubly. First from the lose of the money involved in training and then in the lose of the work. I think morally we have to restrict the number coming in and focus on training US citizens.
  6. by   dinah77
    absolutley no more foreign nurses until new grads have jobs!
  7. by   LPNweezy
    what nursing shortage?
  8. by   Catch22Personified
    The Nursing Shortage is the Adult's version of the Easter Bunny. It's just a myth.
  9. by   wbdtrt
    Worked with a nurse from the Phillipines once. I was helping her clean an incontinent patient and she actually said, "I can't believe I am here wiping American butt!"

    How would you all feel?

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