Survey: Are you confident that your nursing colleagues are competent? - page 3

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  1. by   Nurse Ratched
    Originally posted by alansmith52
    ANYONE WHO VOTED NO ON THIS SUBJECT IS GUILTY OF EATING THEIR YOUNG. AND GUILTY OF BRINGING THE PROFESSOIN DOWN.
    ITS NURSES LIKE YOU THAT GIVE US ALL A BAD NAME.

    IF YOUR NOT CONFIDENT IT IS YOUR RESPOSIBLILITY TO HELP THEM.!!!!!!!!!
    I, too, have to diagree with the generalization in the above statements. If people are willing to learn, then they can be helped; if they are not, then they need to be "coached" or "couseled" or whatever the current mgt buzzword is for reprimanding and if they STILL don't learn, then they need to be canned.

    The suggestion that we should protect people who are incompetent and lack motivation to change "brings down the profession."
  2. by   Brownms46
    I must agree with the disagreeers! If a nurse isn't competent...it is not my responsibility to help them, when they won't help themselves! And it's not "I" who should get out of the profession...but those who are scary! If they put pts. in harms way, by their lack of knowledge, and their unwillingness to get help or ask for help....then they shouldn't be a nurse or any health professional. Everyone knows that there are those who shouldn't be in this profession...and that includes MD's, nurses, and others! If they don't have the sense to get out...then they should be forced out!
  3. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by P_RN
    For the most part I must say yes.

    HOWEVER:

    Had a guy infuse 250 cc of Dopamine as a minibag over an hour's time.....he was the "RN Owner" of one of the Nsg Agencies & couldn't find a nurse so he took the shift. He didn't know what dopamine was.
    Geeze P_RN...I think I know who you're talking about!!!. This person worked as an ICU/CCU nurse, was male, and also had a nursing agency. Lord I had thought this agency had went by the wayside....but maybe it was resurrected...Oh MY!
  4. by   LPN & EMT-CT
    For the most part I work with some pretty good nurses that I would trust myself as a pt. in their hands and then some others, I wouldn't trust with my pet fish. One of them asked me one day what HS meant, they thought to give a pt. Ambien 10mg every hr until they were asleep!!!! . I have never worked with that nurse again, and I quickly advised her to not give Amien QHr. I advised the charge nurse to watch her because I already had 12 pt.'s of my own to take care for and to dispense meds for. I also advised the nurse to learn her abbreviations ASAP and that she should have already known them. Makes you wonder what they are teaching the students these days???
  5. by   karenelizabeth
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    alansmith52

    ANYONE WHO VOTED NO ON THIS SUBJECT IS GUILTY OF EATING THEIR YOUNG. AND GUILTY OF BRINGING THE PROFESSOIN DOWN.
    ITS NURSES LIKE YOU THAT GIVE US ALL A BAD NAME.

    IF YOUR NOT CONFIDENT IT IS YOUR RESPOSIBLILITY TO HELP THEM.!!!!!!!!!
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    sorry havent got a handle on this quote bit yet

    but I have to disagree I voted no but feel I have to qualify that.

    The majority of the nurses are briliant I would put my life or the life of a lived one in there hands BUT none of us is perfect and ther are times when inexeperienced staff have been expected to work in situations they are not qualified to handle simply because "THERE IS NO ONE ELSE" (I have complained to the manager and tried to suport them the best way I can to) most will ask for help (this is not a major problem just very stressful for all of us) but some just soidier on regardless (now that is very very scary). I love teaching and having new members of staff and students working with me (a number of staff don't) and when quiet I have let them take charge or vented babes under supervision.

    I had a particular problem when I have tried to suport a member of staff in this situation but when she turned down assistance and was then arguing with a Dr about something and didn't seem to have a clue about the significance of the event. I basicly elbowed my way in and sorted it (cos a babies life was at risk) and then I went the the manager and have had to make a formal statment this I did with great reluctance (felt I was telling tales) but as she wasn't taking advice from me or the Dr I had no chioce but to take this course of action. I still feel guilty but know it was the right thing to do.
  6. by   sjoe
    For the most part, this is a very sad thread. The problem does not seem to be so much that some fellow nurses are incompetent, but that management does nothing about them.
    In one facility where I worked, a nurse OD'd on the job (not quite dying), and was shortly after recovering, given a supervisory job in another nursing department. I guess they figured that if he OD'd again, at least patients wouldn't see him (and sue the facility).
  7. by   alansmith52
    of course you all disagree. look at the state of nursing. It is not regarded as a profession and probably due to the fact that you are all soo back biting. to your co-workers. take some pride. I hope your not going out into the public telling all your neighbors that you think nurses are incompetent. that would sure explain alot.
  8. by   alansmith52
    well then don't help them. just grin and bare it. change will only come with poor outcomes. we know this.
  9. by   RNinICU
    Originally posted by alansmith52
    of course you all disagree. look at the state of nursing. It is not regarded as a profession and probably due to the fact that you are all soo back biting. to your co-workers. take some pride. I hope your not going out into the public telling all your neighbors that you think nurses are incompetent. that would sure explain alot.
    The nursing shortage cannot be explained away this simplistically. And anyone who thinks that going to school and passing boards means you are a good nurse is delusional. In any profession, there are some who don't belong. I know a few physicians who are incompetent as well. For that matter, there are lawyers, engineers, and architects who do poor work. I have been served by some terrible waitresses, and have had my hair ruined by an incompetent stylist. Nursing is no different. There are nurses who are in the field for the wrong reasons, or who have burned out and no longer care. There are also nurses who do not have the critical thinking skills or knowledge to do a good job. Because we are patient advocates, and are willing to speak up about incompetent coworkers, we are accused of eating our young. If the nurse is new, and simply needs mentoring, I will do everything I can to help her. But, if she is lazy, uncaring, or incompetent in any other way, then I will document whatever she does that may bring harm to a patient. I would rather have an incompetent nurse removed from her position than see a patient harmed because I refused to speak up.
  10. by   caliotter3
    RNinICU

    Could not have said it better. If only speaking up were effective in this regard. It has been my experience that the "back biting and back stabbing" comments made by colleagues can be effective in the intent of the perpetrator, but an honest, professional report to the supervisor will cause trouble for the honest, professional individual.
  11. by   alansmith52
    you make a good point with all the other professions and all.
    docs don't back stab each other like this.

    one of the things that bring us down is "caring too much" it truly is. I dont' think we should be patiet advocates at the expence of our collegues.
  12. by   RNinICU
    Originally posted by alansmith52
    you make a good point with all the other professions and all.
    docs don't back stab each other like this.

    one of the things that bring us down is "caring too much" it truly is. I dont' think we should be patiet advocates at the expence of our collegues.
    So we should cover up for our collegues at the expense of our patients?
  13. by   Fgr8Out
    Originally posted by alansmith52
    you make a good point with all the other professions and all.
    docs don't back stab each other like this.

    one of the things that bring us down is "caring too much" it truly is. I dont' think we should be patiet advocates at the expence of our collegues.

    Uhhhhh.....

    I'm entitled to be concerned with the level (or lack thereof) of the competency of the nursing staff I work with, particularly when they show lack of education, lack of common sense, lack of accountability and lack of professionalism.

    When I give report shift after shift to the same nurses and each morning return to find the items I've reported left undone, unchecked, ignored... there's a problem. It's not about being there to help them, (I take your comment to mean more along the lines of bailing them out or babysitting as opposed to helping, however) Alan... I am. I'm the first one out there on the line whenever, wherever a fellow nurse needs assist, advice, orientation, or my particular skills. It's about working with a certain group of individuals who just don't have the aptitude/desire/competency/Professionalism to DO the job they were hired to do.

    Some people just should NOT be in this Profession... but because of the "shortage"... culling those who don't belong just doesn't happen unless their performance is so abysmal that continued employment would jeopardize the facility in which they work. In the meantime... those of us who DO care... who ARE accountable... who GET the job done... must continue to work/babysit/hand hold those who don't.

    Not that you'll understand one iota of my comments, however... just as you've failed to see the points of view of the many others who dared to disagree with you. By the way... your own comments here are tantamount to the "back biting" you supposedly despise, so don't EVEN go there with me. No one here is back biting... we're venting our frustrations with those who increase our workload, who have the potential to do harm to those very individuals we are hired to assist and who are either too ignorant or too oblivious to see/care.

    One last note... you said that, "I dont' think we should be patiet advocates at the expence of our collegues." We wouldn't HAVE colleagues if we did not have PATIENTS. Of course, your comment was purely nonsensical, regardless of whatever point it is you were trying to make.

    I KNOW the good *I* do where I work... the question is, Alan... do YOU?

    My vote? No, I am NOT certain of the competency of certain of my colleagues. My solution? Be there for those who need guidance or time... and bring the deficiencies of those who just plain know better to their attention... and to the supervisors/managment attention if they continue to exhibit incompetent behavior.

    Peace
    Last edit by Fgr8Out on Sep 11, '02

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