Surgeon halts operation over foreign nurses' poor English - page 4

Zounds! Figured it would come to this ... notice the idiot suits are threatening the Doctor ... suits not at all medically-oriented with concern for standards and safety -- or common sense :o ... Read More

  1. by   Stargazer
    Hey, believe me, I totally expect some pansy-a$$ liberal to come toodling onto this thread and say how we should be more tolerant of 'cultural diversity' or some stupid crap like that.
    Shay, you know I love you, but generalities like this are, by definition, pretty inaccurate. This moderate liberal doesn't want a nurse who can't speak or understand English fluently to take care of me or any member of my family, either. It's a safety issue, not a PC issue. Give us a little credit, huh? :wink2:
  2. by   Robin61970
    Face it.....we are so busy as a country taking in everyone who lives around us that eventually(sooner than we know I am sure) English speaking will be a minority.........I will go down fighting......
  3. by   l.rae
    Originally posted by Stargazer
    Shay, you know I love you, but generalities like this are, by definition, pretty inaccurate. This moderate liberal doesn't want a nurse who can't speak or understand English fluently to take care of me or any member of my family, either. It's a safety issue, not a PC issue. Give us a little credit, huh? :wink2:
    l don't think Shay implied all liberals are pansey a$$....there is moderates in all belief systems........and Shay is right...it's just a matter of time......l smell it a commin'.....PC AT ALL COST...................LR
  4. by   mattsmom81
    Wow...great thread and leads to lots of related topics.

    If Britain is as liberally PC as the US the doc will likely be reprimanded, possible sued. I do applaud his stand...but it is not going to be a favored one I would bet, unless he can get a whole group of docs to support him. Will they risk that?

    I agree with those who say this importing of foreign nurses with poor English skills is just another sign of how little the suits think of the nursing profession...and how they undervalue our skills.

    They seem to look at it in the same light as importing laborers or migrants. We import a lot of foreign nurses in my parts, and it's a definite language barrier problem here as well.

    I was also wondering when someone was going to take a hard look at the African AIDS epidemic when importing African nurses is so popular...we're also importing the great expense of treating these nurses...as is Britain.
  5. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by mattsmom81
    I agree with those who say this importing of foreign nurses with poor English skills is just another sign of how little the suits think of the nursing profession...and how they undervalue our skills.
    That's it, right there. Couldn't agree more with this.
  6. by   RNanne
    In one of the threads there was a chart for foreign nurses and the numbers infected with HIV. Quite high for African nurses. I think the statistics were for GB. I can't remember which thread, but it may have been Nursing is pathetic? Did anyone else see it? Maybe they did and can direct us to it. Maybe Nursedude posted it? I just can't remember now.
  7. by   donmurray
    The article quoted was from a GB right-wing newspaper "The Times" It smacks of an attempted HIV scare story, with a dose of moral panic seasoning, and a hint of racism. The chart attempts to estimate the numbers of probable "infected" foreign nurses based on the available national infection rates for their respective country of origin.
  8. by   RNanne
    I do not think that is the article that I saw. They had very specific numbers of nurses recruited and specific numbers of those infected. Including one from the US. I don't know your papers, whether they are right wing or not. I do know that the BBC and some other sources have articles about HIV foreign-recruited nurses. And there seems to be a big to do all right, and it is probably panic and scare tactics. That goes on a lot. You know, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling." It almost always shakes out okay in the end tho.
  9. by   shay
    Originally posted by Stargazer
    Give us a little credit, huh? :wink2:
    NEVER!!! YOU WILL ALL BE INDOCTRINATED BY MY CONSERVATIVE DOGMA!!! UNTIL THEN, NO CREDIT WILL BE GIVEN!!

    I know, stargazer. I have pms, and hey........you KNOW there are some whack-jobs out there that would actually make some cockamamie argument like that.

    Can I interest you in a years' subscription to the Limbaugh Letter?

    Hee hee.
  10. by   fedupnurse
    It's not just nurses! We have a whole slew of doctors that are next to impossible to understand. And there are many with thick accents and a poor grasp on English that cop an attitude because WE don't understand THEM! Did someone drop the hospital into a foreing country while I was busy trying to pull 3 vented crashing patients out of the plumbing????
    What's that saying, "when in Rome...."
  11. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by shay
    NEVER!!! YOU WILL ALL BE INDOCTRINATED BY MY CONSERVATIVE DOGMA!!! UNTIL THEN, NO CREDIT WILL BE GIVEN!!
    Hee!

    Can I interest you in a years' subscription to the Limbaugh Letter?
    Not unless it's softer and cheaper than regular toilet paper...
  12. by   Repat
    Well, I'm a Northern Belle relocated to Dixie (sort of), and I have a hard time understanding the locals! Anyway, I do believe that Surgeons are called Mr. in Britain because they were originally a naval posting, and Mr. is a term of repect in the navy!
  13. by   rebelwaclause
    I wholeheartedly agree that the surgeon had his patients best interest at hand. Isntead of pointing a finger saying:

    "What good is it when someone can't speak English or understand an MD order",

    I'll say...

    "What good is it when I can't speak Spanish or Chinese and I'm in Mexico or China not understanding an MD order."

    Monetary gain to support my relatives? To have a better life? All those answers are valid...But at who's expense?

    At least my advantage would be English is known in most foreign countries, and I probably could communicate to somebody. I'm not sure I feel sorry for nurses who do not speak English who are practicing (or attempting to) here in the states. Again, I wanna know the motive (Ok...A better life?) and at what expense.

    I know this post isn't showing much love, but this can be a touchy subject for me and I don't know what to do with it.....

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