Substandard health care for minorities? - page 3

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  1. by   fergus51
    I just don't get why we have money for the other crap our government pays for, but people think that we can't afford to continue with health care for all. I wanna know why the gov't can WASTE sooooooo much on crap, but won't put the money that is needed into health care? It's like the girl Tracy talked about paying for hair, but not insurance. DUMB!!!
  2. by   semstr
    Fergus,

    hear, hear!!
    Isn't it the same in every country?
    At least here in Austria and in Holland, people are health-care-insured, no matter what.
    (from your monthly paycheck, automatically health-insurance and federal-taxes, pension- and "out of work" insurance, is pulled off. How much depends on your brutto-income. This is a federal thing too)

    But even now, our government is thinking very loud to buy new jets for the military. (Austria has 10 jets or something, they are 20 years old now)
    These things would cost so much, incredable!! And what for? just to look better international? So other countries can say, wow look at those Austrians!! B...s..t!!

    OK, I am not known for my military-friendness, because I think it is (in my case) useless.

    Take care, Renee
  3. by   lockrn51
    I think the survey if quite accurate regarding minorities recieving substandard health care and it really should not be suprising. If one will take off the blinders and look and see it's just a reflection of our society in general.
  4. by   lockrn51
    I think the survey was a quite accurate reflection of our society in general.
  5. by   Q.
    Originally posted by nurs4kids
    Renee,
    I agree 100% that as medical people, we should care for ALL. If "Donald Trump" is held responsible for all the "have-nots", then sooner or later, ole' Donald becomes a "have-not". others to

    EXCELLENT point Tracy. That is my biggest fear.
  6. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by lockrn51
    I think the survey if quite accurate regarding minorities recieving substandard health care and it really should not be suprising. If one will take off the blinders and look and see it's just a reflection of our society in general.
    AMEN...AMEN again lockrn51....ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!
  7. by   wrightgd
    Based on the implication of this report, the way patients are treated boils down to how they are perceived...

    And whether its racial, socio-economic, or even gender bias, what it ammounts to is how the providers perceive "HEALTHCARE"...

    Is it a "right" for everyone to receive equal, adequate, and competent care? Or, is it a business whereby the consumer "gets what he pays for"?

    Unfortunately, in America healthcare is an Industry... from medical suppliers, pharmaceuticals, hospital organizations, insurance, all the way down the line... It's all about $$$$.

    I believe that our country is already overburdened with laws dictating our lives, however I also beleive that EVERYONE deserves access to equal, adequate, and competent care...

    So, how do we bridge the gap between what is ethically "right", and what is financially fair? It won't happen under our current healthcare system. How many of you can honestly say that your healthcare costs and level of service from your providers have improved in the last 5 years? Even those of us with good healthcare benefits, pay more every year, and get less for it... So just imagine how much more that level of care must have declined for these "have nots"...

    Healthcare is a HUGE social issue in America, and something will have to drastically change before it gets better...

    George
  8. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by wrightgd
    Based on the implication of this report, the way patients are treated boils down to how they are perceived...

    And whether its racial, socio-economic, or even gender bias, what it ammounts to is how the providers perceive "HEALTHCARE"...

    Is it a "right" for everyone to receive equal, adequate, and competent care? Or, is it a business whereby the consumer "gets what he pays for"?

    Unfortunately, in America healthcare is an Industry... from medical suppliers, pharmaceuticals, hospital organizations, insurance, all the way down the line... It's all about $$$$.

    I believe that our country is already overburdened with laws dictating our lives, however I also beleive that EVERYONE deserves access to equal, adequate, and competent care...

    So, how do we bridge the gap between what is ethically "right", and what is financially fair? It won't happen under our current healthcare system. How many of you can honestly say that your healthcare costs and level of service from your providers have improved in the last 5 years? Even those of us with good healthcare benefits, pay more every year, and get less for it... So just imagine how much more that level of care must have declined for these "have nots"...

    Healthcare is a HUGE social issue in America, and something will have to drastically change before it gets better...

    George
    Go George!!! What a POWERFUL post!!! ..
  9. by   live4today
    HERE YE, HERE YE, HERE YE... COME ONE, COME ALL....

    I propose that we adopt a plan similar to Canadas healthcare plan, only better!

    If we look at Healthcare as a 'business', then the Healthcare Business needs much correction and attention because it is NOT servicing people correctly, nor nearly enough in the right ways.

    If we look at Healthcare as an absolute MUST for everyone regardless of their ability to pay or not, then it shouldn't be treated like a business.

    So, I propose our government deduct the exact same amount of money from every wage earners paycheck for health care across the board, whereas we would all receive the very same healthcare benefits...not better, not worse than the other...this would eliminate the prejudices in the healthcare market. Everyone would receive the same healthcare, and no one would be seen as receiving better this or better that based on their income.

    Now, for the non wage earners, they should be assisted to find gainful employment so they can receive healthcare, but until that time, they should still be given the healthcare they need through community hospitals and community health departments because NO ONE should go without healthcare.

    We do need to see to it that every person is gainfully employed in this country, so instead of buying another ba-zillion dollar jet, apply that money to a program that would work on eliminating the unemployment in this country so every man and woman can work somewhere, doing something, to contribute to what they receive in return. :kiss
  10. by   Brownms46
    Originally posted by Renee Williams
    HERE YE, HERE YE, HERE YE... COME ONE, COME ALL....

    NO ONE should go without healthcare.

    We do need to see to it that every person is gainfully employed in this country, so instead of buying another ba-zillion dollar jet, apply that money to a program that would work on eliminating the unemployment in this country so every man and woman can work somewhere, doing something, to contribute to what they receive in return. :kiss
    :chuckle:...or before buying a $30 or $50,000 dollar toilet...or hammer...or some other such unnecessary expense!

    And to stop paying for studies upon studies of such inane stuff as whether or not ketchup is a vegetable..:chuckle

  11. by   live4today
    :chuckle :roll :chuckle Oh Brownie! :blushkiss
  12. by   Brownms46
    heeheee..:chuckle
  13. by   donmurray
    The National Health Service in the UK has its critics, but the bottom line is healthcare provision depending on need, and not ability to pay, free at the point of use, and funded from taxation. Our Chancellor of the Exchequer gave a speech recently along those lines. Insurance based schemes are unfair, inefficient, and hugely expensive, not to say overcomplicated.
    According to him, 26% of American families have forgone health care in the last year because they cannot afford it, and 40m. have no insurance. Medicare and Medicaid, together with the tax relief allowed to those with insurance, totals 500bn. dollars, or 7% of GNP. this is about the same as the UK spend, but for our total system. The overall US healthcare budget is 14% of GNP.

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