Stupid things your school does/did - page 5

Re: What age were you when you went to nursing school? Quote: Originally Posted by GraceNotes (I'll try this post again.) I am so apprehensive about nursing school! I am 51 and will graduate... Read More

  1. by   arizonanurse
    We did EKG's on each other, but we wore sports bras, so it wasn't as bad as it sounds. We did physical exams on each other including height, weight, bowel sounds, lung and heart sounds, but we didn't undress for that. We weren't allowed to do IVs on each other because of liability issues. I wish we could have, really. It would have been nice to get the experience of a real vein instead of just a dummy arm.
  2. by   Selke
    I'm just glad I changed graduate programs before having to do pelvics with my classmates -- I was humiliated enough doing the PE with a young classmate at my last program (although I'll have to redo this). The instructor had a field day examining my body (I usually get this response wherever I go for health care; they drag students in to look at me). I could not bear the thought of subjecting myself to this humiliation, being the only student over 40, who isn't gorgeous, skinny, and fit. I also have a physical deformity and lots of scars which I would die to have these kids see. Quasimodo amongst the elite. (I am permanently single, too, for the same reason.) The program I'm in now has nurses mostly over 35, all body types, all levels of physical attractiveness, so I'm not going to be nearly as self-consious or humiliated.
  3. by   lakerette01
    We did not have to strip down, but when we did physical assessment, like the heart and lung stuff, we were told to wear shorts and tanktops.

    For our testouts, we did used our classmates, you could pick them too.

    Not too bad, but we did have a lame theory class during our first semester.. SO many bad role playing things..
  4. by   jimthorp
    Quote from Draken
    I dont think you should be allowed to pass the nursing program without having these done to you
    Why not? I hardly feel that being naked in front of my classmates has anything to do with learning assessment skills.

    Quote from Draken
    I am really suprised that in some of your programs you didnt have to do this.
    Really? I didn't and am as competant as anyone who has.

    Quote from Draken
    Ok like this my four year old needed a immunization but i dont remember atm. The nurse asked do you want me to give it to her in her arm or in her leg i said in the arm because the leg is insainly painful. and she replied wow i didnt know that.(what is she doing being a nurse giving injections)
    The deltoid is less painful than the VS for everyone?
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jan 20, '07 : Reason: personal comment
  5. by   Julie_Bean
    my school had a fake hospital day where we wore shorts and tank tops or short sleeves to practice baths but we only did the extremities. We also had to feed one another and brush each others teeth. We had a lot of fun with it though. I can't imagine having to get completely naked or even down to underwear.... EEEEKKK! Thats priviledged or need to know basis only and my fellow students at the time were neither.
    Last edit by Julie_Bean on Jan 16, '07
  6. by   bethin
    Quote from lizziebeth157
    My school makes us disrobe and do physical assessments on each other and it was absolutely mortifying. Mostly because I had to get nearly naked in a room with half my classmates (including guys). Even more so because I am overweight and my partner was one of those gorgeous teeny tiny girls who works out every day. Despite that, she was far more modest than I (in the sense that she wouldn't let me practice the breast exam on her).

    When it came time to do a full physical assessment for a grade, I felt extremely unprepared because she'd never let me practice the breast exam and a few other things before. Also, having to be almost naked in front of two of your instructors the first semster in the nursing program is rather embarassing. :imbar

    You had to do a breast exam on another classmate?

    If I'm ever told to disrobe in clinicals I'll be telling the instructor "I'll do it but you have to pay me first."
  7. by   porcelina22
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    Last edit by porcelina22 on Jan 16, '07 : Reason: deleted double post
  8. by   porcelina22
    I would never disrobe for a classmate. I would fight that one until they changed the rules or kicked me out of school.

    My shcool has been pretty good. We don't wear stupid uniforms, all of our rules seem to make sense, and there is no nudity or semi-nudity
  9. by   bethin
    Quote from Draken
    I dont think you should be allowed to pass the nursing program without having these done to you.

    I am really suprised that in some of your programs you didnt have to do this.

    Ok like this my four year old needed a immunization but i dont remember atm. The nurse asked do you want me to give it to her in her arm or in her leg i said in the arm because the leg is insainly painful. and she replied wow i didnt know that.(what is she doing being a nurse giving injections)

    Most nurses dont know that if you stimulate the injection site it reduces the pain level to a point where it dont really hurt at all. This is what gives people fears crappy nurses who never had to endure what they put their patients through.

    If you feel uncomfortable getting in your underwear infront of future nurses you have no place expecting patients to do the same.


    edit: the badword filter edits non bad words so had to change.
    I think you're forgetting one of the pt's rights: the right to refuse tx. As a student you don't have that pt right because you aren't a pt.

    And if I wanted to expose what God gave me I'd go work at a strip club. Better pay and hours.

    And for the record, I've had 8 colonoscopies, a breast surgery and a lap chole. And I have had numerous rectal exams and every year I go to the gynecologist. As a pt, I'm not uncomfortable because I know that the dr's and nurses caring for me don't have to see me everyday and I PICK my dr's so I also know that they are trust worthy and are not going to be going behind my back saying "she's really got a pair!". I've also been in the hospital numerous times for Crohn's exac and I never recall the nurse asking me to disrobe down to my undergarments so she could do an assessment.
    Last edit by bethin on Jan 16, '07
  10. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from bethin
    As a pt, I'm not uncomfortable because I know that the dr's and nurses caring for me don't have to see me everyday and I PICK my dr's so I also know that they are trust worthy..... I've also been in the hospital numerous times for Crohn's exac and I never recall the nurse asking me to disrobe down to my undergarments so she could do an assessment.
    Thank you!

    As a patient in the healthcare system you have rights, including the right to refuse. As a student in these programs, refusal may equal failure. That is what is so unfair about this practice.

    You made another very good point. A good assessment can be done without the patient having to disrobe.
  11. by   ewattsjt
    wow! that is all that comes to mind at first. patient modesty comes to mind at first. if you are simulating a patient, one would surely not parade them around in front of the wing, ward, floor etc...

    dummies work fine in class and one can get hands on experience at clinical. it is totally different with peers. i work in surgery and see many of patient privates with my coworkers. i would however feel uncomfortable allowing them to do a practice exam on me or me doing one on them.

    are the administrators (deans) aware that the program demands the class to disrobe in front of each other? i would think most facilities would enforce the opposite.

    anyone who thinks this is an acceptable way of learning should also agree that there should not be a separation of male and female students. when you are at the hospital, there are not male nurses for male patients and female nurses for female patients. thus to simulate a real patient and feelings, you can not differentiate.

    the last paragraph was intended to strike a nerve. it shows how ridiculous it is. as i said before, clinical is for the hands on.
    Last edit by ewattsjt on Jan 16, '07
  12. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from Draken
    I dont think you should be allowed to pass the nursing program without having these done to you.

    I am really suprised that in some of your programs you didnt have to do this.

    Ok like this my four year old needed a immunization but i dont remember atm. The nurse asked do you want me to give it to her in her arm or in her leg i said in the arm because the leg is insainly painful. and she replied wow i didnt know that.(what is she doing being a nurse giving injections)

    Most nurses dont know that if you stimulate the injection site it reduces the pain level to a point where it dont really hurt at all. This is what gives people fears crappy nurses who never had to endure what they put their patients through.

    If you feel uncomfortable getting in your underwear infront of future nurses you have no place expecting patients to do the same.


    edit: the badword filter edits non bad words so had to change.
    I disagree with you completely.

    You assume that unless one is subjected to these procedures during NURSING SCHOOL, then they are unable to understand the patient's point of view. Let me assure you, that before nursing school I was the patient several times. Each year I subject myself to a yearly gyno exam...I know what it's like to be the patient, stripped bare except for a tiny paper drape, legs sprawled....you get the picture. I don't need to have a classmate, in FIRST semester, who has a 50% or greater chance of not even making it through the program...see me naked to drill into my head why I should maintain patient dignity.

    Likewise, I don't have to be run over by a mac truck to understand my trauma pt's needs, to have heart surgery to understand what my CABG pt's go through, to have an addiction to provide adequate treatment to a drug dependent patient....Nursing school teaches you fundamentals and concepts that must be understood and applied. First hand experience in each concept is NOT required to be a good nurse. Otherwise, none of us would meet the requirements, in one way or another.

    And one last tidbit for you to ponder...I have had numerous shots in my 24 years between typical childhood immunizations, army immunizations, pre-deployment immunizations, and nursing school immunizations.....getting a shot in my deltoid hurts ME far more than getting one in my vastus lateralis or even my dorso glutteal...but that is just me, and I understand that CONCEPT. Each patient is different, has different perceptions of pain, had different coping skills, etc.
  13. by   MountainMan
    i have a friend who has become my doctor. I feel a little resistant sometimes but I know his integrity. At a Christmas party he brought up the fact that I was coming due for my prostrate exam. (this was a mixed party but they were all friends) I did not feel the least bit awkward openly discussing it. I let everyone there know that he give the most thorogh exams I have ever had (keep in mind most of the people there were in the medical field). My doctor said that most guys are [explitif deleted] when it comes to exams, compared to women who undergo pevics quite bravely. I know I will get better treatment from him than anywhere else. And I resect him.
    However unawkward all this is to me and my circle of friends, it does not qualify student to student examinations as ok emotionally. I could do it just fine but i don't like others being puton the spot by it.

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