Strange Nursing Student - page 5
I previously posted this in the Men and Nursing forum, but was told it was in the wrong place. So I'll try again. I am a nurse at a large medical center in Raleigh-Durham, NC. Every Thursday and... Read More
Nov 14, '05Quote from weetziebatI agree! Our school would boot people out for legit reasons. We were not even allowed to miss 1 single clinical day!! Many people complained...but amazingly we all survived and only 1 person was booted. We had to pass the math test with 100% accuracy and we only got 2 more chances to pass...otherwise we were out! Many people would complain...but again, we all survived and only 1 person was booted!Ya know, I'm sitting here catching up on the posts, but find myself just shaking my head in bewilderment. I'm sorry, but what happened to common sense?
As unfortunate as it may be, not everyone is capable of doing everything they may want to do, and it is about time we all accepted that and moved on.
Have things changed so much since I graduated from nursing school in 1986? Our instructors were brutal - and if they didn't think you cut it, you were out. And, to be honest, I never saw anyone kicked out that didn't deserve it.
Harsh, but especially in a profession that deals with life and death on a daily basis, necessary. I don't understand this bending over backwards to accomodate folks in areas they'd be better off out of.
Yeah, we do need to set limits. There are winners and losers - sorry to break the news to some people!
Physical disabilities you may be able to work around as a nurse, but in this case - sheeesh! who are we setting loose on the poor unsuspecting patient world?
This school needs to re-think their policies, IMHO.
It may sound "unfair" to some who didn't agree with it, but isn't it true that "life is not fair"?
Nov 14, '05Quote from NurseKitty NCHe has absolutely no bedside manner, and gets extremely embarrassed at almost anything. For example, he left an elderly female laying in a pile of urine for his entire 7 hour clinical shift - when I found out and asked him why, he stated "I have never given a woman a bath and I intend to keep it that way."
I wonder if he might actually think bedside nursing is beneath him, and it may have little to with his social skills. I had many classmates who went into nursing to become CRNA, or to go into radiology. I had another classmate who once said to me, "I don't see why I would give a bed bath. I never have to do it as a nurse." I haven't met anyone as bad as this guy, but I had many uncaring classmates. One even told us how cool it was to see blood gushing out of this man foot because he was so much anticoagulant.
But then, I don't have much faith in people - I have met too many nurses and students who just don't care. I am loathed to excuse the behavior as antisocial or strange. His remark above seems to come from a person who can clearly communicate his feelings.
Nov 14, '05Purposely allowing a patient to lie in urine for 7 hours and not address her hygiene..and if the same thing happened again for this female patient or any other, he would continue to do the same? Whoa, he could have chose to delegate or ask someone else to do it for him.
I call it patient neglect, regardless of his reasoning, and reportable.
I'm afraid he would be on my little documentation trail.
I would report.
I would have no remorse for my decision.Last edit by Thunderwolf on Nov 14, '05
Nov 15, '05I don't think that homeschooling is intrinsically responsible for poor social skills, but the conditions surrounding it can be. For example, my friend Beth was homeschooled by her ex-vet mom who really knew her stuff, and she's very socially graceful. However, I know a few people who are extremely religious and homeschool their kids in order to censor everything. I don't have anything about religion itself, but the real world isn't going to care what God's opinion is on matters. In the real world, claims of divine voices talking to you are going to be translated as schizophrenia. For example, I knew a girl was homeschooled till high school, and all she would talk about was God and try to convert (hustle, really) everybody around her, not knowing that it is extremely rude to pass such judgment on people. It irks me to see parents who try to create their own little utopia and not face the reality that someday, the kids won't be in that little private sphere.
Nov 15, '05Try approaching the student privately and if it does not work then the clinical instructor. Maybe he is going through a difficult time or has a disabulity?
Nov 15, '05Quote from MarySunshineHi,Fair enough. :chuckle
For what it's worth, lots of homeschoolers participate in sports at local schools and have various homeschool groups with kids their own age. So, it's not like they all are caged, never to meet another child their age. My husband was homeschooled and played with kids his own age every day after "school." I was more of a bookworm, but.....ANYHOO, sorry. This is obviously it's own thread (if someone wants to start it). Carry on!
My post is not related to your comment at all! I just picked a random post to subscribe to so that I may un-subscribe to the emails about this thread.
For what it is worth, I have known home schooled and non-home schooled students who are just downright good.
What makes me uncomfortable about this thread is that someone mentioned that they took exception to a statement and NOONE has validated their feeling, only got defensive about their posts. I do not generally like to discount anyone, especially so when they state hurt feelings.
Nov 15, '05Quote from DutchgirlRNI am fairly new to this forum, but after reading through 5 pages of responses on this issue this was my thought too: where is the licensed nurse? Either the primary nurse, preceptor, or instructor? Someone is responsible in addition to the student. I've never had a clinical where someone wasn't checking up on the patient (and on me/my skills as well!) throughout the day... whether I was in the room or not.I understand and agree with the situation being what it is he should not be in nursing. What I don't understand is that lying in urine for 7 hours is a very long time, where was the primary nurse? where was the tech? Something is not right regardless.
Nov 15, '05Quote from DutchgirlRNI thought of your little lady too, DutchgirlRN, upon reading about this student and how similiar the whole situation was.I do think several posters on here are cofusing me/you as I posted a thread about a strange graduate nurse. Boy oh boy did I get roasted for supposedly picking on the strange graduate nurse. I only asked for an opinion. I hope you have a better response.
I know th' post was closed but I've have been so wondering what happended with her!
Nov 16, '05Quote from Kelly_the_GreatShe quit. She realized she wasn't cut out for med/surg and apolized to her preceptor for trying to imitate her accent on purpose, stating that she realized that was immature on her part. I hope she finds her niche'. Thanks for asking.I thought of your little lady too, DutchgirlRN, upon reading about this student and how similiar the whole situation was.
I know th' post was closed but I've have been so wondering what happended with her!
Nov 20, '05Quote from Gennaver:angryfireHi,
Thank goodness that there are more positions in the Nursing world than bedside nursing. This may not be a disservice to these students who do not plan to enter into nursing practice and may be of wonderful service to all of us if such students use their skilss with their nursing knowledge to better the world of nursing.
More than one way to look at things and to consider and respect the talents of others, especially those who differ from ourselves.
In the '90's I was part time faculty in a BSN program. One year we had a "different" student. She was female, in her late 30's, seemed to have no friends, few social skills and didn't seem to be able to bond with anybody. She also had dyslexia and ADD, and had gone to great lengths to have special accomodations made for her. She had her tests read to her, had a proctor and a special room, her written assignments were done by someone else (paid for by the University). Clinicals with this woman were a nightmare!
I had her on a woman's unit once and she "misread" the accucheck, giving an inaccurate dose of insulin. Charting was a nightmare as well because I had to check and make sure she wrote the correct numbers. I didn't think she needed to stay in the nursing program and talked to the level coordinator often about her. The "Americans with Disabilities Act" kept coming up as the rationale for keeping her. The student herself had memorized whole paragraphs of the ADA and often this was the only conversation she'd have with me. If I asked a question about a patient situation often the first thing she'd say was "Remember I get extra time to answer because the ADA says so".
She had a 3.9 GPA; again, she has all these accomodations and such for her written and test work. How much accomodation am I supposed to give her when we are talking about taking care of people? I just could not justify keeping her in clinical and thought I could have failed her for this situation, especially because she was not even remotely remorseful about it. My common sense was telling me that if she could not read numbers accurately she had NO BUSINESS working with them!!! The level coordinator of the program and even the Dean said we had no choice but to keep her. She got a "D" in my clinical and we all had to go to the University Court because she protested that!
I understand people have rights. I also believe the patient has the right to be cared for by a nurse that has been deemed competent by her instructors. I made a lot of noise over this person (who also got into Sigma Theta Tau because of her GPA). My faculty friends said to let it rest. However they were Community Health, Psych, and other instructors who weren't on a Med Surg floor, weren't responsible for her meds, read her papers written by someone else, and were more often interested in the theory behind the practice than the practice itself.
Needless to say this woman is no longer working as a nurse. She was fired from several jobs for errors directly related to her dyslexia and ADD. Our state spent thousands of dollars subsidizing her education and her special needs. Deans and directors spent countless hours with attorneys and special needs people to accomodate her and prevent lawsuits. In addition because of her, other people with similar disabilities were given the opportunity to apply for and be accepted to nursing school. In this day and age where so many people are so eager for just a few nursing school slots, we should not have to put up with incompetence. I think working with this student is why I decided not to pursue education on anything more than a part time level.
Nov 20, '05This reminds me of a student, actually Class President who I thoght was weird.
I had returned to school to complete my RN requirements after being an LPN. I joined a class that had already completed it's first year of school. So they had all bonded and were close. I was the outsider. I noticed the class president was (to me) a very strange person. Yet he was extreemly popular with the class. I could not figure it out. Why they would elect him president and then relect him again the second year. To top it off he was a mediocure student. And not at all exhibiting leadership qualities.
What struck me was the odd things he would say. Like "my hobby is making babies" (his wife gave birth 2x during the time he was in nursing school) He was a nursing student granted but he was much too comfortable as a male talking about female issues, anatomy, sexual things, and female health.
After graduation he was hired into a ER. Less than 2 years later he was arrested for molesting female patients. He would claim they were in tremendous pain get an order and heavily sedated them and then would fondle them. Finally one woman who (probably was not sedated as well as he thought) was aware and reported it to police. Immediately several women came forward and reported simular experiences with this nurse. Some of the women he "treated" could not recall anything. Others did recall clearly and still others recalled it as a dream.
I knew im my heart there was something strange with this guy when I first met him. I do not understand why I was the only one, it bothered that he was too comfortable with female anatomy. I tried to tell myself it was that he was a dad and more importantly that he was a nurse. But I knew other dads and other males in the profession did not act like him.
Some people are precieved as strange who in reality are quite normal once you get to know them. The fact that this guy stood out so much and made you extreemly uncomfortable about his behavior should set off alarms. The fact the behavior was antisocial coupled with a flat affect should really scare you and others. Unfortunately you don't have the power to dismiss him from school. keep your eyes open. Keep reporting.
Nov 20, '05Midwife2be,
Your story is very illustrative of how non-discrimination has gone way too far. Nursing cannot allow such a large probability of error. My dad's a high school teacher, he has seen similar cases of students who should have been given special help, but had parents who would mainstream their kids and threaten with court orders if the school refused. He's also had to pass people who used their disabilities as an unlimited Get out of Jail Free card. Everyone should be given a chance, but not a free ticket.
I agree that you should follow your gut instinct. Every girl, at some point in her life, will meet creepy guys. They usually come on the form of men who are too snuggly or friendly or don't know the meaning of personal space. I've learned that whether or not my paranoia can be justified does not mean that guys can impose on me and I have to put up a polite front to not seem like a b*tch or a freak.
I don't think that he should be a nurse either, especially after his diva act of refusing to bathe the female patient.