Story on Oprah: Cradle Rape - page 6

I watched Oprah today and I've never felt more disgusted or ill in my life, hearing about babies that are being raped in South Africa by grown, AIDS infested 'men' who have been told that if they... Read More

  1. by   TexasPoodleMix
    yet people like Michael Moore like to whine about how horrible it is over here ! :angryfire yea right.
  2. by   TexasPoodleMix
    Quote from mother/babyRN
    Sarah, while I have to say if I could I would be the first to go help people I do NOT NOT NOT think our country, government or people should be made to feel required to help ANYONE else other than Americans out. I personally want my tax dollars concentrated here although I do not begrudge anyone who wants to personally assist....Those sorts of things go on here as well although not to the same degree..I am glad attempts are being made to see what is happening and think of ways to assist, but no way are the people of America responsible for "fixing" the problems....We have enough difficulties here...I know I will get flamed for that but it is my personal opinion and has not or will not change....As a victim of sexual abuse I strongly feel not a whole lot is being done here to correct or change things. We (America) comes first..Our money should stay here first...So, should you disagree with me, I respect that and kudos for people who put their personal time, energy and heart into foreign affairs.....
    I could not agree with you more.
  3. by   joloza
    I agree when you guys say that it's good to use the money in America when you are American. Charity begins at home, right?
    We often only hear about America's foreign affairs, but not about what's being done about the problems within the USA and as I understand they are many: poverty, racism, abuse etc.
    But when you say you mustn't spend too much money on foreign affairs, how come the USA has been (and still is) spending a lot of money on foreign "affairs" in places it has no right to be in the first place? Africa is poor and has many problems, so are Central America, certain parts of Asia...And so are plenty other countries where the USA (and other so called "civilised" countries) have walked in, taken over, shouted orders and left a mess.
    I know that I might be offending a lot of people here, but I had to get it off my chest, if we could all be more focussed on making this world a better place, then it would be one.
    So, let's all do what we can wherever we are, with respect, dignity and an open mind to everyone who is different, thinks different and lives different.
    Peace to you all!
    Joloza, South Africa
  4. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from TexasPoodleMix
    yet people like Michael Moore like to whine about how horrible it is over here ! :angryfire yea right.

    Just because it is far better here than in most other places, does not mean we should ignore or fail to expose problems we do have. That is probably one of the reasons things are better here- we are free to expose and critisize anything or anyone we want.
  5. by   TexasPoodleMix
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    Just because it is far better here than in most other places, does not mean we should ignore or fail to expose problems we do have. That is probably one of the reasons things are better here- we are free to expose and critisize anything or anyone we want.
    didn't say anything about ignoring the problems here. However, instead of whining about them why not try and fix them, AND be *thankful* for all that we have -- surely you can admit we have it pretty good over here, better than in many places.

    And I wouldn't call MM's propoganda "exposure" either. He complains and says it's so horrible, why doesn't he leave ? I doubt he cares, just wants to make a buck. He's repulsive.
  6. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    TexasPoodleMix, see my previous post in this thread (post #62). I am truly grateful to be in the U.S.
  7. by   elkpark
    didn't say anything about ignoring the problems here. However, instead of whining about them why not try and fix them, AND be *thankful* for all that we have -- surely you can admit we have it pretty good over here, better than in many places.

    And I wouldn't call MM's propoganda "exposure" either. He complains and says it's so horrible, why doesn't he leave ? I doubt he cares, just wants to make a buck. He's repulsive.
    So, which is it? Is he supposed to stay and try to fix problems (by, oh, say, drawing public attention to them through his films ...) or leave because he sees problems here? Would be v. difficult to do both at the same time.
  8. by   fergus51
    I think we should remember that American money IS concentrated in America. Our foreign aide is a tiny percentage of our spending, and even then a big chunk is going to Israel (a place with a very good standard of living). It isn't like we are choosing to feed and clothe Africans at the expense of Americans.
  9. by   finness
    i hate to nip at your heels, but i am going to have to disagree! yes, we do have problems within our own country--fortunately; none of them include a viral genocide. (admittedly, considerably more people in the united states have access to information about sexually transmitted diseases.) it is my opinion that when you take something for your own profiteering, and neither replace nor restore it, you are stealing. western exploits within africa have contributed to the instability of government, substantial poverty, and inability to address growing health concerns. volunteer based programs are commendable in their efforts to tackle africa's mounting crisis, but is it fair for power hungry politicians to pass this bill on to those not responsible for the abuse of leadership? to keep our tax dollars within our own borders, we have to work to keep our noses there, too. moral obligation aside, when an entire race is nearly obliterated, we all lose.
    Last edit by finness on Jul 19, '04
  10. by   joloza
    Well said Sarah!
    AIDS is a disaster for the African continent and no, closing your eyes and hoping it won't affect you is not gonna help.
    Currently only 100.000 people out of the 40 million living with AIDS in southern Africa receive treatment, what is that.... the other 39.9 million can't afford it, because the pharmaceutical companies elsewhere do not want to reduce their prices and profit.
    How is that for foreign aid?

    Joloza, who is feeling a very sad knowing that people die and don't have to..
  11. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Mschrisco
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by allthingsbright
    i am just horrified at the depravity of man! how low can mankind sink. this just makes me sick.

    its hard for me, as a christian, to see how sin causes such perversness in people-and to hear about the graphic details is just...beyond belief.




    Just what difference ...as a Christian...make it any easier to find it abhorrant?

    I don't think allthingsbright was trying to equate nonChristian with immorality. Just using it as an identy. This is who they are.
    I didn't see any insults in the post.
    So, it was being used as an "Identity" - who they are.

    I am white ....well, depending on the Country one is from..I might be considered white. It is my " identity". I am also a woman by any country's definition.

    So if I said, "It is so hard for me, AS A WHITE WOMAN, to see how sin causes such perverseness in people...and to hear such graphic details..is just beyond belief."

    Do you think that no one would take offense or imply that these acts were more tolerable to those that are nonWhite?

    And say, "Maybe, a dose of White culture would do them good".

    Sorry, guys but it doesn't fly.
  12. by   Jailhouse RN
    Opra? Then there is reality. 1 in how many? Procecution rate? Reliable sources?
  13. by   finness
    not to hijack your thread, but i thought the following quote, as per the ana provision 9.4 drives home our role as nurses.

    "a nurses primary responsibility...is to health...health is understood as being broader then delivery and reimbursement systems, but extending to health related sociocultural issues such as violation of human rights, homelessness, hunger, violence, and the stigma of illness."

    you are right jaloza. we are all in the "fight" together!

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