Story on Oprah: Cradle Rape - page 4

I watched Oprah today and I've never felt more disgusted or ill in my life, hearing about babies that are being raped in South Africa by grown, AIDS infested 'men' who have been told that if they... Read More

  1. by   Loribabble
    I said "many" - not "most" - big difference.

    I realize that the title "the dark continent" was mis-used, but I think it does capture some of what goes on there.

    And yes, the western world did horrible things and Africa continues to suffer because of what happened during colonization.

    Westerners didn't need to come along to ruin things. The tribal wars and genocide started way before anybody else came along - and it continues. People are being brutally murdered and governments (both African and western) and looking the other way.

    I actually got the "life is cheap" from a book I read written by an African-American called "Out of America" by Keith Richburg- the author got in a bunch of hot water for not being politically correct but he also got a lot of recognition for stating the truth. I had several people who grew up in Africa (both white and black) state is was a correct representation of what goes on there. -and yes Fergus -not valuing life is a worldwide crisis.

    Many African governements refused to even recognize that AIDS was a problem - and any education or prevention was seen as a way to keep the Africans from pro-creating. South Africa's president thinks that AIDS is caused by anitretroviral drugs and poverty. Now poverty definately has something to do with, but here is an African leader telling lies. Many doctors in Zimbabwe KNOW about the AIDS crisis and yet they REFUSE to even discuss it with their pts... and they have antiretrovirals now... they have had nevirapine for several years now to decrease the transmission from mother to fetus and yet there is still a LARGE number of women who don't want to know and refuse to take the meds (we offer it free of charge).

    The problems in Africa are VERY complex, and I can't even begin to understand it all. I spent a year in a country on the verge of war trying to understand and much of it still doesn't make sense - and that was just one country let alone the continent.
  2. by   ham22
    Quote from nycegyrl
    the mother is a prostitute and addicted to drugs and alcohol. the men that gang raped the 5 month old cut her from vagina to rectum. she wore a colostomy for awhile. they didn't say if she had it reversed or not. her internal organs were so damaged they weren't sure what they were sewing up. it is so unbelievably horrific.
    i am sure some of it is ignorance. but that is still no excuse to harm a child. i mean, for a grown man to believe that having sex with a baby will cure them is not even rational. the best part of her ordeal is that she is negative for hiv/aids.
    the iraqi extremist people would like to behead someone. i can think of a group of people who need their heads cut off for what they have done. both heads. starting with the small one first. so they can feel some of the agony they put those babies through. :angryfire

    too sad. the poor little thing really didn't have a chance. thank god that she is negative for aids & hiv though. i completely agree with your post!
  3. by   Loribabble
    Quote from stevielynn
    The clinic my son participated in a couple of days ago had an incident with a child of 2 or 3 who was taken to the witchdoctor due to pain and inability to stand or walk. I don't know all the details but a red thread was tied around her wrist. The nurses did talk the mom into cutting the thread and coming to the clinic but what can you do in an afternoon? We need medical teams with physicians heading into the jungle.

    This is one case where a dose of Christianity would do wonders - not that I'm all for taking away folks culture. But these witchdoctors are doing great harm.

    I can't wait for my son to get back from Africa . . so much to talk about.

    I have a feeling Africa will always be close to his heart too.

    steph

    Steph - I would love to hear about his experiences too. I have another 18 months before I get to go back and it is driving me crazy! Most people who go, become enraptured with Africa despite all the bad stuff - we call it "malaria of the heart".

    I hear what my friends are dealing with, the politcal oppression, famine, AIDS etc and my heart breaks. I had one friend die already this year and 2 more are very sick.

    Christianity is very well received .... the CDC in Atlanta has actually done studies about AIDS education and found that faith-based programs had the greatest impact on people changing their behavior, thus decreasing the transmission of the virus. So... they are working with several mission hospitals in the country to develop a biblically based AIDS education program that is going to be used in all the schools. I think that they are currently using it to instruct the teachers and then the teachers will start using it in the classrooms.

    Their culture is awesome and has a lot to offer the world... but I agree - the witch doctors got to go.

    Lori
  4. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from allthingsbright
    i am just horrified at the depravity of man! how low can mankind sink. this just makes me sick.

    its hard for me, as a christian, to see how sin causes such perversness in people-and to hear about the graphic details is just...beyond belief.
    Just what difference ...as a Christian...make it any easier to find it abhorrant?

    And as far as whether a dose of Christianity would help, well that remains to be seen. Some of these same practices go on in the meditterranean/eastern European countries among "Christian" espousing groups. Coptic Christians used to espouse genital mutilation for women.
    Christians in this country murdered, lynched and abused Mormons. "Christian" Separatist groups espouse rascist doctrine and racial war. The Dark Continent has not cornered the market on abuse.

    And I have gone on mission to Africa...and I am not Christian.

    Please stop equating Christian = moral and nonChristian = immoral.

    There are many other "faith based" systems other than Christianity.
  5. by   totallytheresa
    I saw that show too, and felt to sick and so sad for those kids.... and it really did make me feel fortunate that we were born in this country, for all the complaining we do about our government... Another part of that show that was disturbing was the father in Italy who forced his son into prostitution; you hear about it, etc... but to actually see it and hear the little boy talk as he gets into the car with who he thought was the person who was paying to have sex with him, that was upsetting. The mom didn't know abou it supposedly, but to be so desperate for money that a person feels they have to sell their child like that? I can't comprehend that!
  6. by   BBFRN
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Just what difference ...as a Christian...make it any easier to find it abhorrant?

    And as far as whether a dose of Christianity would help, well that remains to be seen. Some of these same practices go on in the meditterranean/eastern European countries among "Christian" espousing groups. Coptic Christians used to espouse genital mutilation for women.
    Christians in this country murdered, lynched and abused Mormons. "Christian" Separatist groups espouse rascist doctrine and racial war. The Dark Continent has not cornered the market on abuse.

    And I have gone on mission to Africa...and I am not Christian.

    Please stop equating Christian = moral and nonChristian = immoral.

    There are many other "faith based" systems other than Christianity.
    Great post. I'm not a Christian, either...and I find it absolutely abhorrent. I also have a moral compass.
  7. by   fab4fan
    Absolutely true, Carolina.
  8. by   RedSox33RN
    Quote from totallytheresa
    I saw that show too, and felt to sick and so sad for those kids.... and it really did make me feel fortunate that we were born in this country, for all the complaining we do about our government... !
    I absolutely agree with you Theresa. The absence of any government involvement, not only in the AIDS crisis but also things like female genital mutilation, the degradation of women as a whole, etc. (and I'm not just speaking about women here, but all people) is frightening.

    I know we do complain about our government on a daily basis, but we need to look over-seas and see how very, very lucky we are. The "corruption" of any of our branches of government does hold a candle to things that go on in foreign countries. Yes, we still have many social problems and injustices, things I work to counter-act with voting, letters, monetary contributions, and my time, but it is very painful and shocking to see this kind of thing, like the stories on Ophah. I don't watch her often (enough), but God bless her for having the courage to bring this kind of thing forward and not bury it.

    Kim, I don't know how you stand that professor! How freakin' infuriating can one person be?!?!? And to have to endure another semester with him? Don't forget to rate him at rateyourprofessors.com. I've only passed by there once, but have a good friend that won't take a course unless a prof is listed there with a good rating! Bless your heart for not walking out on the ba$**rd!
  9. by   NewbieNurse2005
    I was appauled when I read this thread. It's so sad. The baby wasn't 8 months she was 5 months old. I read her story and it broke my heart. I can't understand why this is allowed to continue. Why don't they make it publicly know that it is a myth that "men" can't be cured of AIDS by bedding an infant? I read the story at http://www.amrita.co.uk/princesstrust/story.htm.
  10. by   Energizer Bunny
    Quote from wannaBEanRN
    Kim, I don't know how you stand that professor! How freakin' infuriating can one person be?!?!? And to have to endure another semester with him? Don't forget to rate him at rateyourprofessors.com. I've only passed by there once, but have a good friend that won't take a course unless a prof is listed there with a good rating! Bless your heart for not walking out on the ba$**rd!
    Well, I have no choice but to grin and bear it. He has some really radical ideas. His wife is a nurse so he tries to discourage those of us that are going into the nursing program and the director of nursing ENCOURAGES this! OIY! I'm in for some real fun, eh?
  11. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Just what difference ...as a Christian...make it any easier to find it abhorrant?

    And as far as whether a dose of Christianity would help, well that remains to be seen. Some of these same practices go on in the meditterranean/eastern European countries among "Christian" espousing groups. Coptic Christians used to espouse genital mutilation for women.
    Christians in this country murdered, lynched and abused Mormons. "Christian" Separatist groups espouse rascist doctrine and racial war. The Dark Continent has not cornered the market on abuse.

    And I have gone on mission to Africa...and I am not Christian.

    Please stop equating Christian = moral and nonChristian = immoral.

    There are many other "faith based" systems other than Christianity.

    Very well stated, caroladybelle. To state that someone needs a good dose of Christianity is very arrogant IMO and is not helpful.
  12. by   AnneTheNurse
    Quote from Loribabble
    Steph - I would love to hear about his experiences too. I have another 18 months before I get to go back and it is driving me crazy! Most people who go, become enraptured with Africa despite all the bad stuff - we call it "malaria of the heart".

    I hear what my friends are dealing with, the politcal oppression, famine, AIDS etc and my heart breaks. I had one friend die already this year and 2 more are very sick.

    Christianity is very well received .... the CDC in Atlanta has actually done studies about AIDS education and found that faith-based programs had the greatest impact on people changing their behavior, thus decreasing the transmission of the virus. So... they are working with several mission hospitals in the country to develop a biblically based AIDS education program that is going to be used in all the schools. I think that they are currently using it to instruct the teachers and then the teachers will start using it in the classrooms.

    Their culture is awesome and has a lot to offer the world... but I agree - the witch doctors got to go.

    Lori

    I simply cannot undertand why someone thinks Christianity is the answer to this problem. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the men who did this were at least nominally Xtian. I myself am not Xtian and frankly can't understaned why anyone would be, but that's my personal issue. Religion is not the answer. Education and good puboic health measures are. Doctors and nurses who are expert in infectious disease, public health workers who are not afraid to go out into the community to do grassroots education is the answer. \

    Not too long ago, I read some news stories about the war against genital mutilation of girls. The ultraconservative religious leaders in Africa, some of whom are Xtian, traditionally supported this barbaric practice. No headway was made until some courageous women went out into the community and started educating the "cutters," almost all of whom were women, about the damage they were doing. They also were able to reach some of the religious leaders and convince them to speak out against this practice. That's what needs to be done here. Find women to go out into the community and speak to other women, enlist them in protecting their girl babies wherever possible, and facilitate their becoming part of the healthcare teams that are trying to control the spread of HIV and AIDs.

    Please don't bring religion into it. It will only serve to make a bad situation worse.

    Anne B.

    He who saves one life, it is as though he saves the world entire.
  13. by   carmel
    Quote from cannoli
    Many times I have said, thank God I was born in america.
    well im a nurse,born in south africa,residing in new zealand for the past 3 yrs.I wouldnt exactly say that iM regretting being a capetonian...ive heard about the otrocities being committed ,havent seen the program and i would respond to it at a later stage cos it is 1 am in here in NZ.South Africa is a beautiful place,very multicultural...and im still proud of my country.Every country has its bad side....children get rape for other reasons in the rest of the world......

    carmel

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