States that do NOT require CEU's for renewal... - page 3

The thread about the late license renewal got me thinking about the requirements for renewal of your RN or LPN license. Indiana does not require that nurses have CEU's to renew their licenses....Is... Read More

  1. by   cindyln
    Not all hospitals pay for CEU's or give you the paid time off to obtain them. MY hospital does neither. That is why when it came down to renewing my kansas or virginia license I chose to renew the virginia because they do not require CEU's. I still get some but have to do so at my own expense and time.
  2. by   llg
    There is very little valid scientific evidence (if any) that shows that mandatory CEU's improve the quality of nursing practice within a state. The best nurses will continue to learn, grow, keep-up-to-date, etc. whether or not the law requires class attendance or not. Bad nurses can sign up for classes and "sleep" in the back of the class and not learn a thing even though they have paid for lots of CEU's.

    There is also a lot of controversy about what types of programs qualify as legitimate CEU offerings. In states with mandatory CEU's, it can be a big money-making business to provide classes that may or may not be of good quality and/or relevant to practice. For example, should someone be allowed to count something totally unrelated to his/her actual practice? If you answer, "yes," then how can that be justified as an expense required by the law? If you answer, "no," then how is that going to be policed?

    For such reasons, a lot of states can't justify having a requirement that people attend a certain number of classes that may or may not help their practice ... and some states who used to require CEU's no longer do so. The key word is "require." For the state to make it mandatory, there should be a compelling reason to do so along with compelling evidence that it is necessary.

    llg
    Last edit by llg on Jan 21, '03
  3. by   obeyacts2
    I think the idea of some states not requiring CEUs is scary. Sure, the reputable facilities will require them of thier employees, but what about the LTC or "troubled" facility that is just looking for warm bodies to cover their floors? Medicine changes by the minute, and it takes alot to keep up.

    Laura
  4. by   Stargazer
    Well, as llg and Sally pointed out above, you can lead a horse--er, nurse, to a CE class, but you can't make them learn. There has to be an element of personal responsibility there. And FWIW, the last class I went to was a complete waste of an entire day and $65 registration--I didn't learn a thing or accomplish any of my objectives for taking the course, and it was taught by 2 professional authors/speakers. Very disappointing.
  5. by   nursedawn67
    MI requires 25 ceu's in a 2 year period.
  6. by   MomNRN
    Although it is solely my responsibility to keep current since Illinois doesn't require CEU's for license renewal, it is sometimes difficult. I am a school nurse and class fees are not always in the budget. I also may sometimes be required to use my personal time to attend and pay any extra fees required that the budget won't cover. If there is a class that is tempting enough, I am willing to give up my own cash for my own personal growth, but I am not willing to give up my personal days off. They are way too limited as it is.
  7. by   chartleypj
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sally_ICURN
    Part of being a professional is maintaining or furthering one's knowledge base which in turn furthers the profession's body of knowledge.

    Sally,
    I'm with you; I'm amazed that so many states haven't this requirement. In Ma, we need 15 contact hours every 2 years. As a certified nurse in the OR (CNOR), I am also required to collect 150 contact hours over 5 years.

    Paula
  8. by   night owl
    In NJ, my place of employment requires 40hrs of CEU's per year which are given as inservices or modular type. They will also provide transportation to another facility for CEU's if enough people register for it. It doesn't have anything to do with renewing our licenses, but the fact that the CEU's are learning opportunities which keeps you on top with the latest trends.
  9. by   KaroSnowQueen
    I am licensed in KY and IN. IN does not require them, and any you get are on your own time and money. KY does require them and it's the same at any place there I've worked, my time, my money. AND the thing that bites me is you don't have to turn in any proof that you actually got the stupid things, you just get the certificates, and presumably they audit so many people per year, otherwise yes, you get the learning, which is good, but those papers never ever go to the BON.
    So what I want to know is WHY the requirement if they don't make sure everyone gets them??????????????????????
  10. by   deespoohbear
    I do stay up-to-date with my nursing, even though I don't attend many conferences/seminars or whatever. I search the internet, subscribe to a couple of nursing journals, and research stuff on my own time. I love to learn but I enjoy being able to do it at my own pace. I work with a couple of nurses who are really into conferences and seminars and are very book smart, but really lack the judgement and skills that a bedside nurse needs...I feel like my employer already gives me enough grief about what I have to do, how to do it, and when to do it....I enjoy the freedom of learning at my pace....
  11. by   murmar
    Nice to hear from some very professional nurses re CEU'S.
    Have any of you done Home Study courses? I have. The courses are really well done, very affordable, and most have resource textbooks. I have a nice reference library, since taking courses for 10 years now. For me, an average $40 to $60 for CEU'S for two year renewal is quite reasonable. www.netCE.com and www.nursingeducation.com are two of the best.
  12. by   RNforLongTime
    I have both a PA and an OH license. I renew both of them this year. The new requirements for renewal of OH licenses is one contact hour regarding the laws and rules of the Ohio Board of Nurisng.
  13. by   RNforLongTime
    Whatever you do, do NOT, I repeat do NOT sign up with MEDCEU.com! They are a fly by night organization, that double charges for their services. You can't get them to repsond to e-mails. No one answers their phone during regular business hours and most BON's do NOT accept their CEU's!

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