Starvation: A good thing when concerning the Obese. - page 4

After doing some research, I have yet to see a reason why an obese person would not want to just fast their way down to a healthy body fat percentage. If anyone can raise some legitimate points for... Read More

  1. by   xt1
    ... My "research" is based upon human anatomy and physiology textbooks, the internet, and college teachers... I am attempting to completely understand the processes of starvation. and the effects on the body afterwards. No research has ever stated that starvation is a good thing but what I meant was the conclusion that I draw from what I've read so far is that fasting would be the fastest way to lose excess body fat and therefore a good thing for the obese.
  2. by   xt1
    Understand that we can not give medical advice.
    I completely understand that and am not asking that of anyone... I am merely asking for facts on the process, what and why things happen during and after starvation.
  3. by   Elisheva
    Okay, I hope this helps: I finished a nutrition class last semester with a Masters level dietician who has worked at an area hospital for over 20 years.

    According to her and our text, a healthy weight loss is 1-2 pounds per week, and she also stated that 2 pounds is optomistic after the first month. We had to keep diet plans for 3 days. recording every bite of food that went into our mouths. And we had to total all our nutrients, down to folates, magnesium, etc. At that time, I was eating 1600 calories a day (a recommended healthy weight loss caloric intake for me) and even then it was just barely possible to get all my daily requirements for nutrients.

    My advice is to make an appointment with a registered dietician to set up an individualized, healthy weight loss plan. You have to make life style changes, not just food changes.

    I apologize for not taking you seriously earlier.
  4. by   Elisheva
    X, on a personal note. Some years ago, I fasted for 10 days, taking water only for the first few days and some broth the last few. I lost 12 pounds. Within 3 weeks of stopping the fast, I gained it all back. By the was, the fast was not done in order to lose weight.

    I can't quote statistics and research sources, but I know that fasting is a poor way to lose weight, you'll lose mostly water, and it's hard on your heart and other vital organs (no glucose for the brain - its main fuel).
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from xt1
    I completely understand that and am not asking that of anyone... I am merely asking for facts on the process, what and why things happen during and after starvation.

    Understood which is why this thread is still ongoing. Good luck in your research, I applaud you for not going into this blindly. It looks good on paper what happens during a fast, but the reality of how it feels and what goes on emotionally, and the individual health of the person should be taken into consideration as well.

    Good luck.
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 25, '06
  6. by   xt1
    I apologize for not taking you seriously earlier.
    No apologies are needed, My friend was over 600 lbs and we went on a 1500 calorie diet together and he lost considerably more than 1 - 2 lbs per week and I can't think of his loss and unhealthy. But my question would be what makes a loss of more than 1 - 2 lbs per week unhealthy?
  7. by   xt1
    it's hard on your heart and other vital organs (no glucose for the brain - its main fuel).
    From what I understand the heart prefers the use of ketones to carbohydrates anyway and even the brain after a length of time is switched to using ketones as the major fuel.
  8. by   xt1
    but the reality of how it feels and what goes on emotionally, and the individual health of the person should be taken into consideration as well.
    I agree completely but I have yet to even think about that side of things yet Im still working out the physical process first
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from xt1
    I agree completely but I have yet to even think about that side of things yet Im still working out the physical process first

    Good. Fasting isn't easy. People go through a lot. In the end though a lot of people report positive feelings, including spiritual. Many religions as I'm sure you know fast.

    I think the 1 to 2 lbs a week thing is the recommendation because studies show it stays off easier. Also, the eating patterns become more ingrained and easy to stick to when done for the long haul. Rapid weight loss is so freqently followed by rapid weight gain. Almost every dieter has experienced this phenomenon.

    It's very hard to stick to the 1-2 lb. thing. I started a diet that was designed for me to loose 1-2 lbs a week and I love 14 lbs in four weeks. (Gained about 7 of it back, but that's my own fault, not the diet). Usually one sees bigger weight losses in the beginning and if later on 1-2 lbs a week happens, that's still a good thing.

    The problem with our society and dieters is that we want it off and we want it off quick.
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 25, '06
  10. by   Elisheva
    If you are very overweight, you will have larger weight losses in the beginning. In order to maintain the proper amount of nutrients needed to keep your body healthy, you will have to eat a certain amount of calories each day. I believe for an average woman, just the work of metabolism required about 1000 a day, then you have to have extra calories for "work", moving about, doing your daily tasks. According to the dietician, a weight loss diet should NEVER go below 1200 calories a day.

    There are tables and charts that give you examples of what a healthy weight would be for some one your height. Then you could figure how many calories it would take to maintain THAT weight, probably between 1500- 2000 a day. An estimate only.

    I can't emphasize enough how important I think it is to seek a consultation with a nutritionist or dietician. This is not only about pounds - it's about keeping yourself healthy, safe and emotionally balanced.

    You are not alone. Many of us fight this battle every day. The best thing I ever did was take that nutrition class in college. It filled in all the gaps about why we need to eat 3-5 meals a day, why we lose weight slowly, and how important those nutrients really are.

    Best of luck!
  11. by   xt1
    why we need to eat 3-5 meals a day
    Why do we? I always assumed people said 3 - 5 meals per day to keep the digestive system going and thereby increasing metabolism.
  12. by   xt1
    If anyone has any personal experienes to share or can suggest any good sources of information on starvation including websites, books, or anything I would much appreciate it For now I am off to class.
  13. by   bcskittlez
    xt1,

    I have some experience. From experience, I use to fast for about a week. I developed a bad case of gastroenteritis. I started spitting up blood. Furthermore, I lost maybe 2 pounds, then my body started holding on the the weight. I couldn't make it to see if it would actually help me to lose weight because the psychological aspect, as I stated before, began to kick in and I would binge at the end of that week. I'm sorry but in my case and opinion it truly does not work.

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