Standardized Nursing education

  1. What should be the standard for nursing education?

    Please don't say BSN, ADN or Diploma. Tell us what these mean to you. How much clinical time? How much theory? How much math? How much bio? How much psychology? What about non-nursing classes?

    What would you like to see new grads knowing when they hit your floor?
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  2. 10 Comments

  3. by   Sleepyeyes
    Truly, I think they should dump the preceptor-GN thing and just do that whole scene in school.

    I didn't feel comfortable in clinicals because we couldn't do the very things that I now feel uncomfortable with. Because of that, I'm slooooowwww....
    drives me crazy, and pizzes my coworkers off.

    Wish I had more clinical time in a safer environment. Especially in Med-Surg, ER, and ICU.
  4. by   MollyJ
    I'll throw my hat it. Caution: I'm not even a nursing instructor, so I'm pretty blind flying here.

    BSN model, based on a liberal arts and sciences curriculum in the first two years which creates an individual educated on a broad base of knowledge from the sciences and the liberal arts. Last two years are nursing curriculum with curriculum continuing into the summer between the junior and senior year. The student must have the "CNA" credential coming into the junior year.

    It is a long time since my diploma program, but I think that by the time a student is a senior a semester from graduation, they should be doing 2 full length (which I will define as 8 hours) shifts per week. Unfortunately, I do not think students should routinely do 12's since the main goal is still to educate a student, not turn them into extra labor. A senior practicum should include 12 hours shifts if that's what that clinical site is doing, so the student gets the ebb and flow feeling of the clinical day. Beginning students have so much information to learn that it might be challening to give them 2 full 8's at first. A person experienced in nursing curricula could better speak to that.

    People on the board who have taught in nursing schools will tell you that they strive to balance didactic information with clinical and meet NLN criteria.

    Understand that the mass of didactic info that a safe practitioner must have in their head has to be taught somehow, somewhere. This mass is much greater than when I was a student in 76 thru 78. Remember from whence we came, the diploma programs which in their very earliest days were little more than cheap labor forces for hospitals; their "education" came secondary. (In the very olden days, they often simply staffed night shift.) Don't mistake how difficult it is to create this balance of didactic and practical experience, both critical parts of the whole.

    So whaddya think?
  5. by   live4today
    i personally don't care which approach a person chooses to get their rn license as long as they are dang good when they hit the patient population with their expertise.

    what works out best for one person may not work out best for another. finances play a huge part in the route a person takes to obtain an education, certification, or license...regardless of what career choice they choose. different strokes for different folks makes the world what it is, always has been and always will be.

    people who think their employer owes them something just because the person thinks their degree is better than someone else's degree are the ones who create the hiarchy of chaos among the people they must work with and get along with. you paid $40,000.00 to $100,000.00 for an education, and gosh darn it...you get angry if you aren't getting that money back threefold!

    years ago...men were running top corporate businesses on less than a primary grade education, and their lack of education never prevented them from becoming successful at what they did -- making boo-koo money to boot, and they never stood in any unemployment lines because they were overeducated. so........go figure! i could write a book on this subject alone, but i'll spare you all my ability to go on and on and on and on....:zzzzz

    today...everybody thinks that in order to get ahead in their life they have to be degreed and certificated to the max! well...one could be having a much better time in their life enjoying their families, babies, husbands, parents, friends, etc....if they hadn't gone into thousands and thousands of educational debt thinking their employer would repay them threefold for having done so. so "peder and pansy" are too busy trying to pay off those mega student loans while missing out on the life they had hoped to build and enjoy together. instead of being able to enjoy their life, they get to live a 'hit and miss' sort of a life within their 24/7 schedules where the kids and pets rarely have enough relaxation time with them. so.......my cure for this mess?

    stop the insanity folks, and get back to living life for yourselves cause your boss sho' aint going to pay you what you are worth, and make up for what you are missing with those darlin' rugrats of yours, and your lonesome spouse who is home while you are at work so when you get home, you peck each other on the cheek, and then the other spouse goes to work while the one who just got off work can..........catch my drift here! :kiss
    Last edit by live4today on Jul 7, '02
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    I am with ----------------------->Renee!!!!! You make more sense each post I read, lady. Rock ON! I have nothing to add. you said it ALL!
  7. by   andrewsgranny
    Preach on cheerfuldoer:kiss You are so right.
    What really is the point in this life? Is it how much money we have to be buried with? I just dont think so. And there is nothing that can make up for time lost with loved ones. Our kids cant always be small. Our parents and g-parents will not always be here. And guess what, neither will we.
    We are an educated sociaty with a money motive. We should all get our priorities straight.
    We are only gonna make what we are gonna make in the lives we live, and it will always take what we make. Thats the real world.
    Last edit by andrewsgranny on Jul 7, '02
  8. by   live4today
    A nice quote about living goes like this:

    "There is no beginning or end. Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, and today is only a gift."

    Cherish the Gift of Today folks for it could be our last. 9/11 proved that point loud and clear. :kiss
    Last edit by live4today on Jul 7, '02
  9. by   l.rae
    Renee, l almost never feel the need to post behind you...you sure said it all.................LR
  10. by   Mito
    I would like to see IV therapy and veinipuncture as part of the nursing program.

    Mito
  11. by   NannaNurse
    I really don't think that .....history, music appreciation, etc....are really necessary. I think that JUST nursing related courses should be the requirement. You can have English related with nursing, math is math of course....bio...enough said...but add some classes we REALLY use! Mito...I agree. Since I, as a LPN,C had to take a 90 hour IV certification class. I'm a RN student and it is not taught!! Why?? When I'm a patient...I DEMAND a LPN,C to start my IV's .....sorry.
    Clinicals are nothing more than 'candy stripe' classes.......let us do more. Having been an LPN for years, I've already done ,and I'm pretty darn good, at most of the skills we are doing now. I have to take off my 'nurse' hat while in clinicals....pretend I don't know squat. I say if you are already a nurse.....your experience on the floor should count for something.
    I have to take history, english, bio. micro, a&p......let's roll all of those science classes into something specific to nursing...
    Last edit by NannaNurse on Jul 7, '02
  12. by   rnor
    Nannanurse I agree with you about all the extra non-nurse related classes we have to take in school...I mean, when I went to nursing school eons ago, we had to write a computer program...and computers weren't even big then....orrn

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