Socialized Medicine: The Argument to Support moving forward - page 5

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Many people have a misunderstanding that if the government funds health care then THEY control our health care - a concept which in all reality is impossible. What they do provide is funding for hospitals and any facility that... Read More


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    Quote from nurseforchange
    ok folks, has anyone read the bill proposed? ...

    ...i propose that everyones goal should be- truth, love and healing!
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf
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    More Questions for MedSerg32RN:

    1. Is that Massachusetts?
    2. Are you happy with the system you have, as a state or not? On one hand you say that the 97% of people in your state are insured (which is good I guess...) but then you say that several public hospitals are near bankrupt... So do you think that your system should be implemented country wide or not?
    3. Is the fine targeted into individuals without health insurance or businesses that don't insure employees?

    Thank you
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    If in UK, poor women give births in toilets and corridors as article states, why the infant mortality rate in UK is lower then in US? Maybe they have a very clean and well equipped toilets?

    Even if the article is honest, it is not an system in UK that is not working but a huge wave of immigration after expanding European Union that hit England.
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    Answers:

    1. Is that Massachusetts?

    Yes
    2. Are you happy with the system you have, as a state or not? On one hand you say that the 97% of people in your state are insured (which is good I guess...) but then you say that several public hospitals are near bankrupt... So do you think that your system should be implemented country wide or not?

    For me personally it has been fine, but I just read yesterday legal residents in MA don't qualify for any programs unless they have been in the state for 5 years. Good for the citizens terrible for non citizens. My daughter who will turn 26 won't be covered but will qualify for a plan at no cost. So if you are a citizen it is good, if you are not a citizen you have no coverage. If you work in a city hospital that gives care to non citizens it is bad.

    3. Is the fine targeted into individuals without health insurance or businesses that don't insure employees?

    Both, business and personal
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    Quote from Woody123
    If in UK, poor women give births in toilets and corridors as article states, why the infant mortality rate in UK is lower then in US? Maybe they have a very clean and well equipped toilets?

    Even if the article is honest, it is not an system in UK that is not working but a huge wave of immigration after expanding European Union that hit England.

    I agree that immigration has hit the UK hard, but this is also true for the USA.

    I set an alert and I am seeing tons of articles from the UK with a similar theme. I don't know if these are stories akin to the National Inquirer, but they get lots of posts from readers.
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    Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES: You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California. "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Socia...l Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table". Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year Now take 30% away for state & federal tax Joe Legal now has $31,231.00 Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes... Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00 Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per yearJoe Legal now has $19,231.00 Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year..
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    I am against the gov't providing healthcare simply for the simple fact that the US Gov't isn't well known for handling it's money well. When I read the constitution I can't find the amendment that gives us the right to free healthcare. I'm not saying it doesn't work in other countries but people here in America people get crazy over free stuff. Remember the long lines when Denny's was giving out a free meal? It is human nature to be wasteful when you don't have to pay for something.
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    Quote from The Hated Consultant
    My litmus test is the copy of the Constitution I carry with me at all times. If it's not in there, the Federal goobement has no legal authority to act.
    Have you perchance forgotten that our constitution is a living text and is amended and updated at all times?

    Also, there are various interpretations of what goes on and how it fits within the constitution.

    I guess the Bush years must have driven you insane with all the unconstitutional things his administration did. None of it benefiting the American people.

    At least this interpretation will benefit the masses of people in the USA that have no real access to health care under the current system.

    That, at least, would be worth celebrating.
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    I suppose that some of those promoting a Nationalized style of health care are from countries that are already on that system. It is unfortunate if you have not experienced the personal freedom of CHOICE. The US was founded on principles that embraced personal liberties which we have over the years.... slowly... been losing one by one for "the greater good". There is NO free health care. Period.
    Ten years ago, while visiting New Zealand, I read an article in the paper that a certain county / region will not be authorizing any more tonsillectomies for the rest of the year as they had all been allocated. (this was March). I just could not believe it.
    Oh - and I do not want to pay 80% of my pay in taxes - thank you very much. I prefer as little "state run" intrusion in my life as possible.
    The problem with the government is that they do not know how to run any industry. Outside of our military, they have a poor record. Standard VA care is a nightmare, medicaid, and medicare is going bankrupt - even the post office. The government WILL end up pushing private insurance coverage out by making private insurance coverage so expensive that the average person can't afford it. And as the system is over loaded, decisions will have to be made regarding allocations of services. I'd rather fight with my insurance company. If they **** me off, I still have the freedom to get a different carrier.
    For anyone who is not a US citizen. Please (respectfully) - mind your own business as you don't have a dog in this fight. Our forefathers left tyrannical rule many years ago so that their descendants could live FREE. You may not be able to understand how much we cherish that freedom.
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