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No. 10
from Tait
Old Jul 02, 2009, 07:51 PM

Default Re: So what's next? Techs telling us to call the docs?
Originally Posted by casper1 View Post
I've never worked at a hospital that utilized telemetry techs. Nurses who work on units which utilize telemetry are sent to classes where they learn the various rhytyms. We are taught which arythmias are life threatening and which ones require closer monitoring. Our nurse to patient ratio is 1 to 6 on nights
Yeah, the first hospital I worked at a nurse would have to rotate and watch tele for some of their shifts. However there we were lucky if we had five people on telemetry.

Currently we have almost 12 floors with tele and our floor often has 12-24 telemetry patients on a given day. When I first started we had our secretaries cross trained so they would do the desk and listen for alarms/pull strips. Well then a few people died around the hospital due to inattention, so then we had a tech and a secretary to watch the monitors. Same thing happened, someone died, and it was too expensive to have two people on so they created the Central Monitoring Unit.

Since then it has been classic chaos. Some days are better than others, but still we fight over when to change batteries (apparently now they send us tele boxes with near dead batteries in them, and then call an hour later to tell us to change them. I guess this is because they don't want to buy new ones, but need enough battery in the box to track it if it gets lost in the tube system on the way to the floor). They also tend to tell anyone who answers the phone the rhythm issue, so of course one night I didn't find out my patient had had a 12 beat run of VT at 2000 until I saw the strip at 0400 because they told the secretary instead of me, and she forgot.

Tait
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No. 11
from mama_d
Old Jul 03, 2009, 01:11 PM

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My facility got rid of monitor techs before I started working there. Each floor with tele monitoring has central monitors at the front and the back, and we're responsible for monitoring ourselves. They've been talking off and on about bring the monitor techs back...personally, I'm resistant to the idea. I know what's going on with my patients, what's usual for them, what each doc's idea of when to be called is. I suspect that if I had someone telling me when I needed to call the doc (aside from fellow nurses whose opinion I trust) it would annoy me greatly.
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No. 12
Old Jul 03, 2009, 02:04 PM

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i have 8 patients on tele at night and i thank god for the monitor techs. they are excellent at their job and are 99% of the time spot on. we are responsible for checking and signing our strips atleast once every 4 hours and verifying the measurements are correct....

they will notify us if there is a change in rate/rhythm and they have documented underneath the patients strips the baseline they came in with... so they know if its an ongoing thing.

we are also responsible for telling them if the patient is any kind of drip that could affect their rate/rhythm. we also have standing orders like, if the pt has up to 10 beats of vtach, to run a mag/k level, and replace electrolytes if needed, call at 7am. our doctors do not want to be called for stuff like that in the middle of the night.

they are also either trained as a CNA, EMT, PCT, etc and when there is a change in rhythm to a lethal arrythmia they have the authority to get up from their seat and check the patient, while the other monitor tech calls us on the portable phone.. so we usually end up getting there at the same time.... there is very little downtime for us between when the patient goes down and when a rapid response or code is called...

i don't know how it would work on my floor is we didnt have monitor techs... because 8 patients is way too much already... they are such a valuable asset to our floor.
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No. 13
from Tait
Old Jul 03, 2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by flightnurse2b View Post

We also have standing orders like, if the pt has up to 10 beats of vtach, to run a mag/k level, and replace electrolytes if needed, call at 7am.

I may have to suggest this...I like it! However considering I just found out that medicare/medicaid only pays for one lab run a day we might have a difficult time convincing them to eat the cost on that one.
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No. 14
from Ruby Vee
Old Jul 03, 2009, 05:25 PM

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I worked as a monitor tech for a month when I'd injured my knee too badly to keep up in the ICU. It was one of the toughest jobs I'd ever had -- the phones were the worst part of it! We were expected to answer the phones so the secretaries could continue taking off orders, ordering tests, etc. The phones nearly drove me crazy! The other thing that drove me crazy was that the newer nurses (who didn't know me) often argued with me about rhythms. Until one day I told the RN "this is atrial flutter" and she gave me a nasty attitude. The cardiologist, who happened to be standing right there said "Yes, it is atrial flutter and who are you to question one of our best ICU nurses about a rhythm when you didn't even recognize V tach last weekend?" After that, they'd ask me my opinion rather than tell me what it ought to be.

But I agree -- it's infuriating, having techs telling us when to call the doctors. Especially when the doctor already KNOWS the patient goes in and out of VT 30 times a day, tolerates it well, and is scheduling them for an AICD.
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No. 15
Old Jul 04, 2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tait View Post
I may have to suggest this...I like it! However considering I just found out that medicare/medicaid only pays for one lab run a day we might have a difficult time convincing them to eat the cost on that one.

oh it's great! we have a big medicare/medicaid population too... i didn't know you only get 1 lab run a day! sometimes our lab can use the blood already drawn from the morning labs...

once you get the labs theres a sheet with standing orders for how to replace the electrolytes, like if your mag is 1.5-1.9 you get 1g IV over 1 hour, recheck labs in 4 hours. you just check the box with the lab value that corresponds with your pt's labs, fax to pharmacy, and you're set.

saves alot of unnecessary phone calls to cranky docs.
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