So, what happened to all the nursing jobs? - page 10
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Can anyone tell me. "What happened to all the nursing jobs." For the last few years all you read was that there will be a nursing shortage till, at least 2020. That getting a nursing job was as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.... Read More
- 0Jun 14, '10 by StrawberryBananaQuote from kloclI will never understand why our country sabotages its own citizens so much. You would think this economic crisis would be a "kick in the rear" wake up call. I wonder how long this nonsense is going to go on. It's so backward, it's infuriating.In Detroit, a high percentage of the nursing staff come from Canada. It's nearly impossible to land a job there if you are from the US. Started with the "nursing shortage" in the 80's but continues today.
- 1Jun 15, '10 by hpcatQuote from JasmininsfI think it's less about WON'T afford than CAN'T afford. Healthcare is now a moneymaking biz, if you can get by with less nurses you'll pump up the bottom line. Needs to be laws about nurse to patient ratios, cuz the big corporations aren't going to volunteer to hire more nurses themselves.i think hospitals still need nurses but they can't afford them. i'm always hearing about dangerously low nurse to patient ratios. i'm not sure if this is how it's always been. it's crazy all the hype that was created about the huge demand for nurses-it's still out there too! i'm like, "where are you getting these figures? no one is hiring!!!" lol i'm hoping by the time i graduate things are better but it's not looking too good =/
- 0Jun 15, '10 by worldtravelerThe Big Corporations are NOT going to resolve the Problems of Today's Nurses unless they are pushed to do so. That is a Fact. Nurses must organize and recitfy their problems in a large national unified voice much like the Construction Industry's Tradesmen have done through their Unions. We could learn from them, its not like the Nursing Industry has to reinvent the "Wheel' the Template is already here...What goes in Nursing today hardly occurs elsewhere, material for Ripley's Believe it or not.Last edit by worldtraveler on Jun 15, '10 : Reason: sp
- 0Jun 15, '10 by metal_m0nkQuote from momologyI am very interested in this. Do you have additional information? Is this a domestic or international peace corps?Older nurses who have been working for decades entered the profession when the pay was much lower. So after sacrificing income for strikes and paying dues all this time why would they retire now when it finally pays well? There is a study being funded right now about what to do about the non-existant shortage. That money should be put towards training new grads. Right now i am applying for a refresher course that is paid for with government money which reserves half the spaces for "foreign born" and preferences them for the other half! Frankly with so many Americans having invested years of their life and precious financial resources I think that all H1B visas should be stopped until there Depression is over (the definition is in the length of time and I believe that has been passed, correct me if I am wrong). The Bush family is setting up a program which is like a medical peace corp so maybe that would be a place where some new grads could be of use. The call for relocation makes no sense since it seems to be everywhere.
- 2Jun 16, '10 by hpcatQuote from worldtravelerUnfortunately I've seen a lack of motivation with the students I was in school with. Nobody wanted to go to Lobby Day, they would roll their eyes when the professors talked about nursing issues like ratios and mandated overtime, and the type of nurses' union at any particular hospital was the last thing anyone was concerned about (way behind $, training, benefits, days off, shifts, commute, hospital reputation, even uniform colors). Unless nurses organize and demand better, we're not going to get it.The Big Corporations are NOT going to resolve the Problems of Today's Nurses unless they are pushed to do so. That is a Fact. Nurses must organize and recitfy their problems in a large national unified voice much like the Construction Industry's Tradesmen have done through their Unions. We could learn from them, its not like the Nursing Industry has to reinvent the "Wheel' the Template is already here...What goes in Nursing today hardly occurs elsewhere, material for Ripley's Believe it or not.
- 2Jun 16, '10 by worldtravelerhpcat--Right you are! I came into Nursing from Heavy Industry and the Construction fields both of which were unionized so I had years of actual work experience and the benefits of working with Union Representation. I also saw on my first couple jobs out out of highschool how it was to work in a Nonunion work enviroment. Simply, there was NO comparison, it was a difference as stark as day and night. Now that Jobs are tight and Nurses are being squeezed for more productivity( read increased Nurse to patient staffing ratios, the dreaded floating) you see Nurses like the Minn Nurses saying "No Mas". Its astounding what I have seen Nurses asked to do in my 20 yr career, had I not witnessed it personally, I wouldn't have believed it possible. Last night in a discussion with a Metro Cop in Miami we were discussing wages. He informed me that a Dispatcher with only a HS Diploma is knocking down a 6 figure salary($100,000+) as is he, who also has only a HS Diploma but also last year grossed over $130,000. How is this possible you may ask, this wage disparity between a police dispatcher and a Nurse with an Education? Union Representation is why as they have a very strong aggressive union to fight for their interests. What more can one say looking at this wage disparity? And,some Cops as well as Firemen here have hit the $200,000+ Salary Level. Kind of makes one wonder about why someone invests so much into nursing school when you see these Civil servants earning these astronomical 6 figure salaries. Not to forget, depending on their Union contracts, some of these police/firemen will earn minimally 70% to as high as 100% of their high 3 salary years(average) as a lifelong pension in which most contribute not a dime towards--none of this 401 nickel-dime plan many private industry Nurses get but a defined benefit plan that is the Gold Standard of the Pension plans. Sadly, most of these young Nurses without any other work experience don't have a clue as to the benefits of working with Union Representation but they soon will get some first hand experience when they are handed off 20-40 patients(acuity 3 level) to care for in a Nursing home enviroment with 1 Aide. Happened to me so I speak from experience. Reality will strike home at that point in time.Last edit by worldtraveler on Jun 16, '10 : Reason: add
- 1Aug 7, '12 by SENSUALBLISSINFLQuote from StrawberryBananaI so agree...I will never understand why our country sabotages its own citizens so much. You would think this economic crisis would be a "kick in the rear" wake up call. I wonder how long this nonsense is going to go on. It's so backward, it's infuriating.
I am all for bringing foreigners to our country to fill in for jobs that have vacancies that cannot be filled by Americans, but in this particular profession, is time that we get the opportunity to fill those vacancies. I have since graduated since I replied to this post, so now what? Where do I get a job? NO ONE IS HIRING NEW GRADUATES HERE, how about getting a shot a a job.? I soon will take the boards and I see myself working in the ophthalmology field again without the benefit to practice the profession I graduated from because no one will hire a new graduate.Last edit by SENSUALBLISSINFL on Aug 7, '12