Should teachers be CPR certified? - page 5

I was wondering if any of you think that teachers should be certified in CPR. A little girl in a neighboring town died last month while at school. My friend, who is a paramedic, said that chances... Read More

  1. by   memphispanda
    As far as teachers having three months in the summer to get CPR certified, it just isn't so in many areas. Most schools have less than 2.5 months off, and teachers may have summer school to teach, continuing ed to do, or even have another job during the summer.

    I do think it would be nice for teachers to be CPR certified. It would be great if they all did it of their own accord. However I feel that many of you are jumping on this bandwagon without understanding exactly what all responsibilities teachers already have, and the liability they have in these situations whether they act or not. Nurses are healthcare professionals--that is why CPR is a requirement. Teachers are not healthcare professionals, and I don't believe they should be required to make CPR part of what they are required to do. I think there should always be CPR certified personnel present in school--like one for every 200 students or something like that, and there should be a plan for how to get that CPR certified person to respond if needed.
  2. by   KC CHICK
    Panda, what if the one CPR certified employee has the day off or goes on vacation, or becomes ill and has to leave early???

    I still believe that if you are responsible for others...children especially...CPR should be a requirement. Just because they're not healthcare professionals doesn't give them an excuse not to participate in basic CPR. Even police officers get CPR certified ...and they aren't healthcare professionals either.

    BTW, my aunt is a teacher...and yes, she spends summers at the lake....plenty of time off.
    Even if teachers have summer classes to teach, there are CPR classes offered during the weekends. There is no excuse not to have it....the class only takes a few hours of your time every two years.

    Anne
    Last edit by KC CHICK on Mar 19, '03
  3. by   memphispanda
    I think I will just agree to disagree with the majority of the posters here.
  4. by   Flynurse
    I guess, for me anyway, this is a question that should go without saying. It should be standard for any business/institution in which something could go wrong medically..... schools, after school programs, daycare, summer camps, gyms, malls, restuarants, airplanes, I could go on and on....

    Although it wouldn't be a supplement for a real CPR course I believe there should be a poster (just like the Hemlich Maneuver) in establishments. I mean what good is an automatic defibrilator if the patient is not breathing on her own???? I believe CPR should be made more aware/available to the public.


    On another note...There was a code called on one of the units I floated to on Monday....I was disappointed to have been kicked out when the Nursing Supervisor said there were too many people in the room (Residents and Interns), you know, not that I was pleased that a patient was dying, but it was the first code call I was present.
  5. by   KC CHICK
    Flynurse, "unfortunately"...I'm sure you'll get your chance to see more codes. Don't worry.
  6. by   Flynurse
    Saying that teachers just don't have time??? That's crazy. As a full time nursing student and working 30 hours a week I still had to find time to get a CPR course done before I was allowed to go to the floor for clinicals. Four saturdays in a row and I was done.
    Same should go for teachers. My BF is a grad student F/T for teaching and working F/T and has taken an Advanced CPR/First Aide course.....don't tell me they don't have time. OR of all of the legal responsibilities they have...what about us? Would it be acceptable for a nurse NOT to have her CPR certification??? NO!


    KC....yes, of course, it is unfortunate, but it would have been educational for a newbie in the hospital such as me.
    Last edit by Flynurse on Mar 19, '03
  7. by   nurseleigh
    Panda, in a since I agree with you. It is reasonable to have a specific amount of CPR certified people always in the building. On the whole, the chances of a child needing CPR are small.

    However, I don't feel it is unreasonable to expect that my childs teacher is capable of responding in a crisis situation and not having to run all over the school to find someone that can. IF, and a big if there, something were to happen, the few minutes that it takes the other person to respond could make a big difference.

    When I interviewed people for the responsibility of watching over my children while I was at work, one of the first questions I asked was if they were certified. Why should I expect less of the teachers that spend all day with my kids than I do of the woman that spends approximately 6-8 hours a week with them?

    Leigh
  8. by   Bonnie Blue
    I think everyone wherever they are, whatever they do, should know basic lifesaving skills. Remember, the AHA has two levels of basic CPR, one for the lay public and one for the healthcare provider. The lay class is four hours (?) and pretty easy from what I've seen. Also, with AEDs becoming commanplace, knowing what to do with one of those is also important.
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by KC CHICK
    ......and nurses don't?? There are MANY fields of work that are demanding. I believe that ANYONE responsible for the care of another human being...be it a nurse, police officer, and even teachers should be required to take a basic CPR course.

    They're responsible for the well being of the children in their care during class time, are they not? I'm sure that there would be a minimal charge to the school system to get this accomplished. At the very least...school systems should be looking into this.

    I was always told that children have a better chance of revival from initiation of CPR than adults. Teachers should WANT to know what to do in case of an emergency...not depend on someone else to do it for them. After all, they are the ones that spend most of the time with the children in their class.....not the school nurse and not the gym teacher.

    Anne
    HERE, HERE to me if you want to teach, you should HAVE TO HAVE BCLS period, no excuses about how much you have on your plate or how much it costs. If MY son were to quit breathing due to accident, injury or choking, you think I wanna wait for a SCHOOL NURSE (there is ONE for 10 schools in our district) or "one of those teachers who is spread out" as someone said here, to save his life? THINK AGAIN. It does not cost that much to get basic CPR from Red Cross and it is offered all the time. I know, I took classes from them before I was an RN.

    NO EXCUSES as far as I am concerned would be good enough if my child died in the care of a teacher or aide who did not even bother to have basic CPR ....period. NOW I will make it my mission to find out if his teacher has it and if not, I will move heaven and earth to make it happen at some point. I cannot believe they don't, like I said earlier.
  10. by   RN2B2005
    The point I think most posters are missing is that CPR requirements vary from district to district, even within a state.

    Some districts, like my husband's, require every employee to be at least CPR certified and most employees have CPR plus First Aid plus AED certification, in addition to having the funding for AED units in every school and a school nurse on premises during school hours every day. Some districts have no requirements at all and no funding for a school nurse or AED. Most are muddling along in between, doing the best they can with what they have.

    As I said before, I doubt seriously that the teachers stood idly by while the little girl died. I think we all need remember that lots of people judge nurses the way this thread is starting to judge teachers ("why didn't that nurse do XYZ? why did that nurse let that patient fall?").

    If you want to make a difference, call up your local school board and ask, What can I do for you? How can I get an AED in every school in my district? What are your funding needs? That's the way to make a difference.

  11. by   Enabled
    Originally posted by Enabled
    sr moore, I am aware that this is a very serious subject but how does one lay off a half of a nurse? You would think that the schools would be screeming to have nurses or several trained in CPR as one said to avoid a nasty lawsuit. And what comes out of it nothing. The awards given are nothing compared to the loss of life needlessly by any age. I something happened to my grandnieces as I don't have any children it would be devastating and no money would ever be able to fill the gap in my heart.
    Also, everyone go home and hug your kids today. If they are elsewhere give them a call just to say high.
    Many times a parent is a coach for Saturday soccer are they certified. Here in Florida thunderstoms come up jn a flash. It is not unusual to hear that someone has been struck by lightening. Florida is the lightening capital of the world. I think in addition to keep their teaching certificate that teachers, coaches, administrators and ancillary staff should have basic CPR. At least if something is done the child or individual has a chance but to stand by and say where is the ambulance is already too late. I would not worry about the ambulance chasers as they have no case as there is usually a uniform Good Sam Act in every state and it would be judged with someohe having the same level of training. Many realize that this is a skill that isn't needed that frequently but thank heavens we have it or some of us mi ght not be here.
  12. by   amken
    I think they should, what can it hurt?????? I also thought schools had nurses!!!!!!!!! If there was a nurse at that school, I wonder if that would have helped any??? My child is in daycare and all teachers are cpr/first aid certified and it makes me feel good to know it............
  13. by   disher
    Instead mandating teachers to learn CPR. It might be more effective to train 911 operators to instruct callers on how to assess and begin CPR.
    What would have happened if the 911 operator had stayed on the line after dispatching the paramedics and talked the teacher through CPR?...... it wouldn't have hurt and it might have helped.

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