Should BSNs be paid more? - page 34

I know ADNs and BSNs both sit for the same NCLEX exam, both have approximately four years of education, and at best have negligible differences (over time) in their nursing skills. BSNs take courses than broaden their overall... Read More

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    [QUOTE=SmilingBluEyes]
    Quote from kadokin
    NO, that is not the point of all this. No one should be FORCED to educate---it should be encouraged by other means. That won't get us the respect we desire or need.
    yeah, that.

    This is the only market way that RNs are going to move to BSN preferred.

    You tell me I'm less of a nurse because I'm an ADN, I get defensive. You tell me that, like experience, education is rewarded, THAT i can understand.

    A BSN telling me that I should be forced to adopt a standard they convenient don't have to work any harder to obtain is elitist and it doesn't take into account that experience is a great leveler in nursing.

    But there is a world of difference between being FORCED to do something and being REWARDED for doing it.

    The real question is, how to get the market to recognize the difference.

    hmmmmm?

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

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    We will gain respect, not because we are educated, but because we profess a higher expection of ourselves & our profession. In setting these higher standards we will SEEK higher education. This is the same metamorphosis all true professions encounter. It is just taking nursing longer than most professions to accomplish this. If we do not make this change, nursing remains a vocation, not a profession. I started out as an aide and have worked my way through BSN. My next step is MSN with hope that I will be able to sit for NP/CNS boards before I retire. Change is difficult for everyone, but it is a constant part of life. Eventually, nursing will commit to the change in entry standards. However difficult it will occur when getting a BSN becomes less uncomfortable than not getting one! Kudos to the nurses that take the initiative toward this before it is a requirement. They are the true professionals!
    Nurses should be reimbursed for the effort (and expense) they put forth to further their profession and themselves. This should be a given. Performance whether LPN, ADN or BSN is a different issue and is addressed in a merit pay system.
    Last edit by AngelovMercy on Aug 17, '05
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    Quote from AngelovMercy
    Eventually, nursing will commit to the change in entry standards. However difficult it will occur when getting a BSN becomes less uncomfortable than not getting one!
    I doubt it.

    The only way to effect that change is why this thread is preferable to the 40 yr old losing debate about changing standards: the change should be encouraged, not forced.

    In point of fact, market forces dictate that a BSN standard cannot be enforced or even successfully initiated (Just ask N. Dakota lawmakers, who recently REPEALED a BSN standard). It just hurts nursing to continue that defunct debate.

    But there is no compelling reason why BSNs cannot be paid more (not pennies more; dollars more), thereby encouraging, rather than enforcing, a move to BSN as a 'preferable' degree.

    I've long said that if there was a REAL difference in BSN vs. ADN pay, my bach degree would be BSN, and not Biology. As it is, all things being equal, I like my shiny Aggie ring more than a BSN behind the RN behind my name.

    ~faith,
    Timothy
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    Talk about beating a Dead Horse! There is an ADN vs. BSN post EVERY time I look at the new posts! Stop it already! A Nurse is a nurse is a nurse- same NCLEX, same patients, same responsibilities. Reward for more education- absolutely! Looking down your nose at someone who is less educated- NEVER!
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    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    I doubt it.

    The only way to effect that change is why this thread is preferable to the 40 yr old losing debate about changing standards: the change should be encouraged, not forced.

    In point of fact, market forces dictate that a BSN standard cannot be enforced or even successfully initiated (Just ask N. Dakota lawmakers, who recently REPEALED a BSN standard). It just hurts nursing to continue that defunct debate.

    But there is no compelling reason why BSNs cannot be paid more (not pennies more; dollars more), thereby encouraging, rather than enforcing, a move to BSN as a 'preferable' degree.

    I've long said that if there was a REAL difference in BSN vs. ADN pay, my bach degree would be BSN, and not Biology. As it is, all things being equal, I like my shiny Aggie ring more than a BSN behind the RN behind my name.

    ~faith,
    Timothy
    Don't misinterpret my post...I never suggested forcing a BSN on anybody. I agree that it needs to be voluntary and that a sizeable bonus for the time and expense of bettering your education should be awarded. This string highlights the confusion between rewarding initiative to further ones education and profession and rewarding performance. There should be a graduated base pay depending on education with merit pay awarded for performance. There are many great ADNs who may perform better than a BSN with the same amount of experience. The BSN will start out with a higher pay based on education, but it is possible for the ADN to surpass him/her with merit pay. One thing that I got in my BSN program that I didn't in the ADN program was how to ask for what I was worth. I am currently being reimbursed at 310% of my initial ADN pay ( and I was a grandmother when I started!)
    I again would like to underscore we are not yet a profession (no matter how much we want or claim to be) and won't be until there is a paradigm shift in OUR thinking. Right now it's "How much can I get with how little education and still be an RN." Societies response is, "How little can we give and still have you serve us." Someday, and I may not live to see it, we will be a true profession with the attitude being "What I know is not enough. I want to improve and continue to grow in order to offer my patients and my profession the best I can be and in return I will be recognized as a professional and be reimbursed for my knowledge, abilities and initiative." Society's response, "You have set high standards for yourself and serve us well. Although we want to pay as little as possible. Your fee is reasonable, we need your services and we are willing to pay." When the later describes the sentiment of more than 50%, we will move into the professional realm. (Majority rules!)
    Please keep in mind that currently, where the BSN and ADN practice, THEY are not reimbursed by the consumer. The hospital is reimbursed for the room or the doctor or agency is reimbursed and pays the nurse a wage, but generally speaking, the consumer does not pay for nursing services! How professional is that?
    Last edit by AngelovMercy on Aug 17, '05
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    Kudos to the nurses that take the initiative toward this before it is a requirement. They are the true professionals!
    Words do not describe how annoyed i was when i read this remark.


    I think i'll just take my non-professional butt out of this discussion. Because, apparently to some, even with the ADN, i won't be a true professional!
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    Ah, well, 34 pages later, we are still polarized as ever, and some of us feeling insulted and angry. I say this thread has come "full circle", of sorts.

    If anyone has any new ideas regarding the very OLD BSN/ADN/LPN debate, feel free to bring these fresh thoughts to a new thread. We did not solve this problem in this one, I am afraid. I am afraid we will not agree on this one, folks.

    Thread closed, pending further discussion.


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