Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ?? - page 6
I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been... Read More
Oct 29, '02how absolutely horrible! 4 lives just shot to pieces and the other lives who were married to or children of the murdered people, too.
as an educator/ instructor myself, I've been in pretty scary situations too, being threatened and blackmail-tries and dirty, nasty phonecalls/ letters, I've been afraid a few times................ this doesn't help!!
Thinking about the families and lighting a candle for these collegues.
Oct 29, '02The MAN was p'd off ... so why couldnt he just have a great loud verbal emission? how in our society does eliminating the source of irritation become OUR right? DEAL with it people, life is stressful. Learn to VENT, verbally!!!! Exercise .... sweat it out, punching bags dont have families beat one up! Geez...TP the professors car, put a frog in her desk....get creative...WHY TAKE A LIFE????????
Oct 29, '02I think the shootings that occur as a result of "not getting your way" are more a reflection of our society than owning guns. Guns were around and owned by people since the start of our country, but the going around and killing people to express yourself is, in my opinion, a reflection of the increased "tolerance" that society practices, the cushioning, and the lessons we seem to be teaching our children: if you don't like something, stomp your feet. You will win. If not, take it to the next level. Just as long as you stand up for what you believe in and die for your cause.
To me, this translates to the lack of respect for life and the immediate gratification personality that we foster in this society. THAT'S why killing has increased. Let's look at our society, and what is different between now and before. Before, guns were owned by private citizens. This type of killing was uncommon. Now, guns are still owned by private citizens. This type of killing is now starting to be common. What in our society has changed? It isn't gun ownership. It's our mentality. Eliminating guns won't change our mentality.
Oct 29, '02Quote:
"Personal opinions (and my tendancy toward bleeding heart liberalism) aside. I need to apoligize for my comments made earlier. As was mentioned, there are better places for this.
*Thanks Adrienne! We all need one now and then. - 4xnurse
Regardless of my personal bias, My heart goes out to the victims of this crime. - All of them. The professors that died. Their families. The students who were traumatized. The family of the perpetrator. And all of us, who will question, again, our safety, and that of our loved ones.
Sometimes we are quick to react to a crime like this without getting all of the facts. Let's grieve for our loss, and then, rationally, look for constructive ways to ease the pain that comes from this and so many other situations that come up in a world full of both bad, and GOOD.
Thank You! To all of my colleagues, for being out there trying to ease someones pain, and "make it all better."
just my $ .02
Oct 29, '02Originally posted by JMP
If everyone in the US insists on keeping guns at their beckon call...what is the solution? Or is there one? Manditory gun control is one solution but..... there are SO MANY illegial weapons in the US that it would have to be a major undertaking.
So much money would have to go towards it..... it would have to be seen as a major health promotion issue- safety vs violence.
Solutions? Everytime this issue comes up, people tend to wave the flag and state it is there RIGHT to have guns and shoot them. So, then..... what is the answer? Has no one thought about this issue other than Britians and Canadians? I think in retrospective maybe the time to attempt to solve the problem has come and gone. Too late.
So now what? It is not my problem, I live in Canada. But, it troubles me none the les, since the US is our neighbour. So what is the solution or is there one?
Oct 29, '02Maybe because the thread, was, politely hijacked.
But there is another thread devoted to remembering those who died....
Oct 29, '02Why shouldn't we have a debate about gun control? Ever have to care for a gunshot victim? It's relavant to nursing issues today. to Roland and Suzy K -go see Michael Moore's movie bowling for Columbine- And dont forget to think for yourself
Oct 29, '02When I started this thread, I was trying to pass along information as it was first being reported. I also hoped it would encourage others to pray or at least keep the possible victims in their thoughts. It saddens me to see that this particular thread has become a heated gun control debate. That was not my intention.
Fortunately, a thread dedicated to the victims and those affected by this tragedy can be found here:http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...threadid=25001
Oct 29, '02AND also read his book Stupid White Men. Believe it or not I actually like certain aspects of his philosophy. At least he is a liberal (like Paul Wellstone and Phil Donahue, and Ralph Nader) who has the guts to clearly express his opinions. In addition, I think that if you closely watch Bowling For Columbine you will see that although there are antigun elements to the show, it speaks to something deeper. That is to say the film asserts that there is culture of violence that is ingrained within the American spirit (on balance I disagree with this proposition but there are certainly elements of truth to it as well). He even cites at one point that there are more gun owners in Canada (as a percentage of the population) than in the United States without the concurrent violence. However, in the end I am about as persuaded by Mr. Moore's rhetoric as I suspect you would be by listening to Rush Limbaugh for a few weeks.
I respect your viewpoints, although I deeply disagree with them. In addition, I would would gladly die for YOUR rights to attempt and convince the American people that we should outlaw guns (while at the same time trying to convince them that you were wrong). I think it is a good thing, and speaks to the greatness of this nation that we can so profoundly disagree on issues that we both deeply hold and yet still do so in a civil manner. May God bless you and the victims of this tragic incident.
Oct 29, '02As a veteran and male nursing student, I can perhaps see how a bent person could snap. Being active duty, in a completely closed society, like a military base or deployment, can effect you holistically. It's so wrong this person went to an extreme and ended lives.
Put a foot down! Perhaps now nursing students will be expected to have a unthreating demenour, and common sense judgement should be applied to helping a student not for the proffesion away from completion. Maybe this person should have been dropped a long time ago, and no one imagine a mentally ill person with a gun could in fact be a student in nursing school. Give instructors more power and protection to ensure our ranks are alighned to the positive. Amen.
Oct 29, '02If these four had been killed in an auto accident, I guarantee you there would be not one person here arguing that cars should be banned. Drunk driving kills more than guns..are we arguing that alcohol should be outlawed?
I am confused about this US vs Canada gun laws. Fergus left me believing, in another thread, that there is little difference in the Canadian laws and those of the US.
A much bigger concern of mine is what is our gov't doing for veteran's in the way of post-war therapy? Two in a month is a scary thought. This guy walked into the classroom with a loaded weapon, this was NOT an act of impulse..this was premeditated.
I own a gun that hasn't been out of the top of a closet in over two years. Hubby own's an AK that we don't even know where the bullets are..haven't had it out in over five years. HOWEVER, I will never give up my right to own a gun. Sane people do not kill other people unless in self defense. Do you honestly think this guy would not have killed had he not had a LEGAL gun?? puhlease. It's easier to get an illegal weapon than it is to get a legal one...and you can do very little to control illegal weapons...
other than use your legal weapon to defend yourself.
my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims..
a sad...very sad.
Oct 29, '02I own maybe 10 guns ( I'm too lazy to go count them right now), 2 of which are handguns. My wife and I both carry one in our vehicles. My reason being if you break down on the road then you are at anyones mercy. I would rather have a bit of an equalizer should some maniac attempt to harm my family or myself.
I live in an area with no law enforcement available to us and it does indeed make me feel better that I am able to protect my family if need be.
My kids all know how to shoot. We hunt together and treat our guns as the tools they are. Any tool can be dangerous when used improperly.
My kids are ages 15, 11 and 9 and all practice regularly.
My heart goes out to those injured and killed by the hand of this mentally ill person. They did not deserve this violence.
The photo is of my 15 year old daughter.
Love and Peace,