Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ?? - page 12

I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been... Read More

  1. by   nightingale
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Exactly. He lost his rights to request ANYTHING the moment he started plotting to kill unarmed women over failing a class. And I read the letter. He's lucky that I refer to him as Flores. He's a self-serving luzer of life.


    I am in such disbelief over this whole turn of this sympathy towards a cold killer, calling him Bob as if you are talking to him over a cup of coffee...... It kills me. Frankly, I would be embarrassed if students or families of U of Arizona saw this thread. We're not even referring to the profs by their damn first name and yet we're calling the killer BOB because he preferred that. And you're honoring that, AFTER he killed 3 people???!!!
    I guess we "prefer" the stick your head in the sand treatment of the issues at hand.... Oh sure.. take away human rights now...


    Once again... the oppourtunity to create change.. to look at all the issues of what should be addressed is pushed down by the minority who have the luxury of focusing on one issue...

    Cold Killer Bob... is that all he is to you? Then I guess that is all you can see....
  2. by   sanakruz
    Everyone who posts here is a thoughtful individual. I admire that in a person. I doubt I would utilize any " block" capability,and I hope no one would do so to me. (I consider myself a thoughtful individual) I just gotta ask though (dont laugh) What's "flaming"....?
  3. by   Q.
    DAMMIT! Maybe Lisa was right in pulling the link a couple pages ago.

    I would never have fathomed however, that WE, as nurses, as educators, as females, would be sympathizing with him.

    Stargazer honey, where are you? If you sympathize with him please explain to me WHY.
  4. by   Q.
    Originally posted by nightngale1998

    Cold Killer Bob... is that all he is to you? Then I guess that is all you can see....
    That's all he let me see. HAD he written this letter or complaints HERE, for example, instead of KILLING his profs, THEN maybe he would be more to me. Maybe then we could have helped or I would have sympathized. But not now. Not after he killed one of my own.
  5. by   Q.
    Oh I'm sorry, after he killed THREE of my own.
  6. by   nightingale
    Interestingly enough, Webster online had a deffinition. Here tis:

    to burst or break out violently or passionately <flaming with indignation> b : to send an angry, hostile, or abusive electronic message

    and so... around here psychnurse.. it can also mean ganging up on, personally attacking, and screwing up the conversation to make it personal... again.. detracting from any possiblitiy to embrace oppourtunities to create change...

    psychnurse... now why would people do that? I think it is because they have VERY NARROW perspectives... what a luxury... on this end of viewing and trying to intelligently talk about issues.
  7. by   Q.
    Or maybe as a former nursing student, who worked 2 jobs, took the bus to school, took care of a sick mom, an alcoholic dad and failed chem 101 AND my boards the first time around, I can't identify with a murderer.
  8. by   LasVegasRN
    I think all of us could agree that the killings were unjustified and horrible.

    I think we could also agree that the killer was a self-centered person who was extremely depressed.

    It is of no doubt that this letter has brought to light many issues that have existed in nursing programs for a long time, but have not actively been addressed.

    Bullying does exist. People with poor coping skills exist. Homocidal people exist. Suicidal people exist.

    If we continue to ignore the existence of these things, shootings like these will continue to exist.
  9. by   nightingale
    Webster online states, in the deffinition of EMPATHY:

    the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this

    This term came up a lot in nursing school... and continues to do so in the real world... I hope we all are able to embrace it in one form or another.... sometimes we need to step back to do this.. to not make it "personal"..

    I try to embrace empathy as a learning tool. I do not need to justify anything I have said as biased against one subject over another... that would be ignorant to do so....

    I have attempted to rally my colleagues to see a picture that I and others were struck with. It does not mean I agree with it. That is the gist of what true empathy for the patient, victims, and perpetrators is all about (IMHO).
  10. by   nightingale
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    I think all of us could agree that the killings were unjustified and horrible.

    I think we could also agree that the killer was a self-centered person who was extremely depressed.

    It is of no doubt that this letter has brought to light many issues that have existed in nursing programs for a long time, but have not actively been addressed.

    Bullying does exist. People with poor coping skills exist. Homocidal people exist. Suicidal people exist.

    If we continue to ignore the existence of these things, shootings like these will continue to exist.
    Yes.. please, let's not move on from this without something of value...
  11. by   nightingale
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    I'll be the bad guy and post it:

    Link to Letter
    I would read a letter from the victims with the same empathy...

    It is a terribly sad happening... a date that will be immortalized...

    Let's learn from it and move on....
  12. by   Youda
    I'm not condoning violence as a solution to anything.

    But I am taking the stand that any ONE person in Bob's (yes, BOB, because he was still a human being) life could have made the difference in that tragedy, and, I believe, prevented it. Instead, we allow bullies to continue their destruction and sit quietly with our heads down, or else side with the bully to help hasten the destruction. I read that letter and heard a human being that was suffering intensely, from a government that lied to him, to a court system that allowed his wife to withhold his children from him, to an educational system that allowed arbitrary flunking depending on if the instructor liked you.

    What would it have taken? Just one or two students to stand up to unfairness. That's all it would have taken to avert this tragedy. Yeah, go ahead and put total blame on the shooter. That's the easy way. I say, instead, that everyone of us should be taking a little responsibility for these events. Everytime you don't reach out to someone else, you are part of the problem. Everytime you close your ears to someone screaming for help, as Bob did many times, you are part of the problem. Everytime you see unfairness and don't speak out, you are part of the problem.

    "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it" Martin Luther King

    There's a lot of discussion on the board about this event. Choosing up sides, placing blame, throwing insults at those who disagree with a point of view, arguments for and against gun control. Whew! Seems to me like all the answers to these kinds of tragedies have been covered. Except one. Taking a look at how those in Bob's life treated him. Is that being a bleeding heart? Or maybe it's just that when I see someone being so completely destroyed, I refuse to place total blame on him, like there was only ONE factor in the event. Oh, that life could be that simple! Black and white. Right and wrong. I envy you all that your answers are so easy and the solutions so obvious and simple.
  13. by   OBNURSEHEATHER
    Originally posted by nightngale1998
    I would read a letter from the victims with the same empathy...
    But they didn't get a chance to write one, did they?

    Heather

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