Shabbos/Religious Observances

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As I begin the applications process for nursing schools, I have one huuuuge concern - my religious obligations. I am not permitted to work/attend school, etc. from sunset Friday nights until an hour past sunset on Saturday nights because of the Jewish sabbath. I've heard that a lot of programs have 12hr clinicals on Saturdays...yikes! Has anyone "worked it out" with similar obligations?

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I remember hearing this come out last year.

William Cardinal Levada, Angelo Amato, S.D.B.; ratified and confirmed by Pope Benedict XVI, Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church, June 29, 2007. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

See question 5 & the response.

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i remember hearing this come out last year.

william cardinal levada, angelo amato, s.d.b.; ratified and confirmed by pope benedict xvi, responses to some questions regarding certain aspects of the doctrine on the church, june 29, 2007. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

see question 5 & the response.

i'm not sure what your point is..are you presenting this as a rebuttal to or an affirmation of post #238?

admit it isn't easy reading, but please clarify what aspect of the cardinal levada's response you are emphasizing.

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i'm not sure what your point is..are you presenting this as a rebuttal to or an affirmation of post #238?

admit it isn't easy reading, but please clarify what aspect of the cardinal levada's response you are emphasizing.

forgive me if i seemed vague. i forgot to quote you when replying to your request for the source.

the response to question 5 in the document seems to be where the news agencies got the idea (as they reported) that churches other than the roman catholic church are not actually christian churches.

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too bad, since it is a difference of theology over "a church" and "the church". didn't see any goin' to hell rhetoric, however...

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Didn't see any goin' to hell rhetoric, however...

views from: Conservative Protestants, Liberal Christians and Roman Catholics

The Afterlife

Current Beliefs of Major Wings of Christianity

http://www.religioustolerance.org/heav_hel2.htm

leslie

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views from: conservative protestants, liberal christians and roman catholics

the afterlife

current beliefs of major wings of christianity

www.religioustolerance.org/heav_hel2.htm

leslie

fyi--they got "limbo" wrong--another remanent of pre-vatican ii silliness. babies go to heaven--end of story.

also, purgatory is not so much a "mini-hell" as it is a reform school for learning the lessons we missed on earth.

and the "church rituals" sounds like a secret fraternity handshake!!they are referring to the sacraments of the church, which are outward symbols of a grace already present.

just clarifying--don't mind getting grief for my beliefs, as long as the facts are correct......:loveya:

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fyi--they got "limbo" wrong--another remanent of pre-vatican ii silliness. babies go to heaven--end of story.

also, purgatory is not so much a "mini-hell" as it is a reform school for learning the lessons we missed on earth.

and the "church rituals" sounds like a secret fraternity handshake!!they are referring to the sacraments of the church, which are outward symbols of a grace already present.

just clarifying--don't mind getting grief for my beliefs, as long as the facts are correct......:loveya:

don't shoot the messenger, blue.:icon_hug:

i don't know anything about any one religion.

and no offense taken whatsoever.

i was looking for information that is objective and easy to read.

this particular website is supposed to be reputable.

maybe you should email them so they can make any corrections?

leslie

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no shootin' at you, leslie:redbeathe:redbeathe:loveya:

just clarification for anyone who reads it from this link!! maybe i will e-mail them to gosh-darn get it right!!! i'd rather be hung as a goat than a sheep!!!:D

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I have read various news stories from both religious and secular news agencies regarding comments that non-catholic churches are not "complete" or real churches and that their members will not be in heaven.

My comments were not meant as an insult to Catholics, merely to emphasize that there are some opinions that people hold that we cannot change by fighting with them when church leaders are telling people things like this. This also applies to things that are said by church leaders that others misinterpret as.

In the case regarding the little girl visiting church - there was not going to be long term association with the girl so arguing with her or her mother was not warranted. However, had the child seen someone come out of the Catholic church down the road and pulled a gun out to shoot them because of her belief that they must have broken that window, that is when intervention would have been warranted.

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Not trying to be a smartie pants here, but what do hospitals in Israel do? I can pretty much guarantee that pts are not left unattended during the Sabbath. I'm betting that work like caring for the sick would be excused.

I think Israel is surprisingly secular. That is, there are certainly ultra Orthodox, Orthodox in Israel. However, there are many, many non-observant or marginally observant Jews in Israel, also.

And yes, I think caring for the sick is certainly permitted. Animals, too, other dependent/helpless living beings - the infirm, infants and children. And fasting requirements are, I believe, waived for the sick, pregnant, anyone else who cannot or should not fast for medical reasons on the fasting holy days.

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Just a little added aside to my previous post. I Attend Church every Sunday that I can. I resent a policy at my hospital that says, if you declare at the time you are hired that your religion does not permit you to work on Sunday you never have to work on Sunday. Excuse me! I would like Sunday off to attend Church as well. The difference is my religion does not provide me the convenient command forbidding me to work.

So I work over half of the Sundays in a year because of someone else's religion. I have to wonder about the personal ethics of a person that goes into a profession understanding the work is 24/7/365 when such work goes against anything they are willing to do.

I submit this with respect. At the same time need to express my frustration on the matter.

Following commands is really pretty inconvenient, Agnus. For one thing, doing so engenders the kind of sentiment you are expressing here. That is hard to deal with. Being different is not easy.

Pogroms, Crusades, the Holocaust, the tremendous fight to get the State of Israel established and to keep her alive - this is the history of the Jewish people. Slaves in Egypt under Pharoah, dispersed throughout the world, often hated and persecuted, made to wear a yellow star and live in ghettoes and precluded from ownership of land, forbidden from entering certain trades and being forced to take up others that were looked upon with derision - this is not convenient. Often, the Jews have been forced, upon very sort notice, with no real time to sell their goods or homes, to evacuate their homes and take only what they could carry. Evicted from what had been their home.

Personally, I believe the Jews are still God's Chosen People and are truly the apple of His eye. He has not cast aside His people Israel. We shall yet see a true Messianic era, I believe. It would be an honor to help a Jewish nurse observe her Sabbath, even as numerous Gentiles sacrificed greatly to help the Jews during WW2.

I'm sorry you have to work so many Sundays. I hope it can somehow work out for you so you can stop having to do that.

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In our day, turning on a light is a violation of the prohibition against kindling a fire on Shabbos.

Absolutely no insult is intended, TXmom, but to me it seems like more work to keep all the rules than to live the modern way. For instance, I see the elderly Jewish people who live near me walking in the cold, the rain, the ice to get to synagogue on the holy days and Shabbat, when a quick ride in the nice warm car would be so much simpler.

Also, it does, I must admit, seem, well, not kosher, to have a Shabbos goy turn on lights, etc. when Torah tells us that even the working animals and servants of the Jews are to rest on the Sabbath.

I know you probably don't share my view on this and I do apologize for any insult or hurt. Again, absolutely none is intended, these are just thoughts I have when I see these things happen.

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