SARS in Toronto!

JMP · Apr 2, 2003

"attacked" and "us" ?

RE: ATTACKED:

IF you really believe I "attacked" you.....well you need to understand that views and debate are open and as long as we do not call each other names....all views and open debate are encouraged.

RE: US:

Are you saying it is me against..... what all the nurses in Canada? Ontario? Allnurses? Those who disagree with me? What are saying?

RNonsense · Apr 2, 2003

This is over. Read the thread.

Have a great day!

hapeewendy · Apr 3, 2003

goodness gracious

this is a serious topic for cryin out loud

I only posted my feelings because I am worried , and that makes me human...

I think its sad that one comment by one individual poster (yes the credit card thing) has become the focus of the thread..

I wanted to talk about the issue because its hitting very close to home for me ,extremely close to home, like in my living room close to home.... and that I think through talking about it we can ease eachothers fears and get advice on how to cope.

thats the point

or was

nursedude · Apr 3, 2003

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...section=general

http://www.nbc10.com/health/2085589/detail.html

http://www.unionleader.com/articles...l?article=19702

http://www.tribune.co.mp/index.cfm?Display=yes&ID=27235

http://reuters.com/financeNewsArtic...storyID=2497513

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/...01300090003.htm

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2.../1049331927.htm

http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030402/15/39owe.html

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WEL139694.htm

http://www.canada.com/health/story....90-A292F564CB81

http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030403/15/39qhg.html

http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030403/15/39ql8.html

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2.../1049331700.htm

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5542822.htm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ia_030402200635

http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/r...sh-pennsylvania

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...la-news-florida

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...00121&printer=1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0-2003Apr2.html

http://www.canoe.ca/LondonNews/lf.lf-04-02-0003.html

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L01125743.htm

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stor...w/36432/1/.html

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/hea...887/detail.html

http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030403/15/39qlt.html

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/h...0304020021.html

http://www.asahi.com/english/national/K2003040300562.html

http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030403/15/39qs0.html

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s823440.htm

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2003/4/1/latest/11176Taiwantem&sec=latest

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/03/sars_to030403

http://www.kxan.com/Global/story.asp?S=1213378&nav=0s3dF0Tz

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/040203_nw_SARS.html

http://news.google.com/news?q=SARS&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N

sixes · Apr 3, 2003

wendy you do what you have to. you are already immuno compromised. take care of yourself so you can better take care of others in there time of need. i think you should be able to work on floors where sars isn't. it's your health and your life. i personal would do exactly what you are doing if it was my health and ultimately my life. to all nurses working through sars take care of yourself. we are taught to advocate for our patients why shouldn't we advocate for ourselves. take good care of yourself. and may god bless everyone who is working thorugh sars

more links

sars test on way?

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0006.html

convention of 16000 won't come to to

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts,ts-04-03-0007.html

7th death

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0008.html

let's make it a clean fight

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0009.html

prisoners in our home (diary of a quarantined

nurse)

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0010.html

it's no joking matter

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0011.html

ttc drivers denied masks

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0012.html

dad's by her side

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0013.html

flu scare closes north york school

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0014.html

travel advisory

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0042.html

chinese finally allow probe of sars

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0043.html

border staff alert

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0044.html

clinic open in oshawa

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-03-0047.html

canadas sars cases rise to 160

http://www.canoe.ca/cnews/canada/2003/03/31/55090-cp.html

hope everyone has a sars free day. take care

elanurse · Apr 3, 2003

Hi everyone,

I just spent the past 10 mins reading your concerns regarding the present SARS situation.

I am a student nurse in Toronto, and was one of the first bunch of people to be voluntarily isolated. My placement was at the initial hospital where SARS was discovered.

I have had alot of time on my hands to contemplate this issue and whether or not I still want to remain in nursing as a career. You know that there are potential risks, but when something new like this comes up it brings a new element to the table. However, I have decided that this is an unusual occurence and I need to remain calm and objective. I have almost completed 2 out of my 3 year program.

As it turns out, all of the health related fields which normally have hospital based clinical placements, are presently suspended from attending these placements. The result is that if this doesn't get sorted out within the next couple of weeks, many students will have to complete one month of their studies later on. At this point no one knows when this may be, there is even the possibility it will affect our graduation time.

I think for me, the scary thing is that the professionals in detecting what exactly is causing this.......still don't know the answer or are not telling us. I do believe they don't know. I was speaking with my sister yesterday, who lives in Britain and she was watching the evening news when they commented that this is worse than when AIDS hit.........now to me this is excessive and is what is going to cause panic!!

I believe that as a nurse we have a responsibility to our profession and to the people we went into this for. However, there are justified reasons for people not wanting to be exposed. I myself have two small children, and I know if I were working with SARS I would be worried for their safety in the event I showed symptoms.

Anyway, to all those who are working directly to solve or take care of the many client's still hospitalized.......I am thinking of you.

:)

oramar · Apr 3, 2003

elanurse, you judgement is sound, good luck, I sure hope you go on to become a nurse because you will be an impressive one.

sixes · Apr 3, 2003

elanurse

well spoken.

I too have been affected by SARS. I have been a RN since 1992. I worked in Home care until 1999 when I took time of for personal reasons.

I was to start a surgical nursing clinical rotation offered to RN's at Canadore college North Bay. Unfortunately the start date was to be June 1 now they can't confirm this due to SARS.

I will be unable to find employment until I complete some kind of refresher course since I haven't been in an institution setting since my preceptorship in 1992.

I am really looking forward to working again now that my personal life is in order and I can once again concentrate on others needs.

I hope that your clinical placement is not delayed for long.

Take care and good luck. Nursing is such a rewarding job.

Keep us posted.

passing thru · Apr 3, 2003

I read in the Toronto news yesterday that six doctors had decided to stay home....so much for professional behavior.

The docs of course, unlike nurses, probably don't have to " live off their credit cards'.

They've probably got a little "bundle" of savings and cash lying around.

Anyway, all six said they " May have " been around some patients with SARS....therefore "we could be incubating the disease, therefore, we are going to stay home until we know.""

Yeah right...I saw the same doc behavior in the early AIDS days. The nurses in ICU took care of the patients and the docs called in their orders and received status reports.

As I said earlier, if the docs show up, I'll show up.

If the docs stay home, I'll stay home.

I take my cues in high risk situations from the ones who have the most info, in this case ......the docs.

It's called....being a ""survivor"".

Sorry if my opinion chaps anyone.

My advice is to write your local docs and tell THEM how unprofessional they are.

Hope you are well Wendy and I'd still call in for a couple -three days. The news today is it is winding down....fewer new cases. 2-3 days now could make a big difference.

JMP · Apr 3, 2003

Passing thru..... you just made my point again. Your reasoning is extremely flawed.

Can you name the Toronto paper and can you send a link to the article you read about the "doctors" that are staying home? Can you tell me also if the article in question says they are staying home for their own selfish reasons of survial or if they actually felt they had exposure. I know the head of the infectious disease team in Toronto is home, in isolation due to exposure to a SARS patient (before they where identified). I certainly do not see that as unprofessional.

Believe me I have stayed ON TOP of this story..print and TV since I work in ICU in a large trauma center in Ontario. I have not seen a story like the one you are quoting but if it is out there...I'd like the chance to read it.

I see no similiarity to the AIDS epidemic here. Lets not fan the flames of hysteria with such comparisons.

Lets see the link...OK?

JMP · Apr 3, 2003

Brief follow up

A 7th pt has died in Ontario. They where one of the original patients who had unprotected exposure at the beginning of the outbreak of SARS. She was a patient at one of the hospitals now closed.

The public health officals expect a increase in the numbers of cases or potential cases since it will be 10 days this weekend since the "clamp down" has occured. They are expecting to see the rise and then a steady decline...they hope.

IMPORTANT NOTE so far there has been no community exposure- in other words so far all the suspected and confirmed cases are limited to health care facilies- WITH HEALTH CARE WORKERS or patients ( or visitors to those facilites- hence no visiting now )who where not wearing protection. Hence the gloves-gowns-masks and goggles.

sixes · Apr 4, 2003

i would also like to view the link where 6 doctors are staying home. i have posted every link in the toronto sun for days, and i have read all cdc reports and every other story i can find. i have not come across this.

wendy i hope you are doing ok. stress can cause a flare in lupus, do what you have too. keep your health.

here are some more links

fears arise with temperature ( nurse's diary)

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-04-0057.html

sars hits tourism

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-04-0007.html

casino rules force gamblers to weigh the risk

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-04-0008.html

top doc: time to unmask

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-04-0009.html

toronto link to case in oz?

http://www.canoe.ca/torontonews/ts.ts-04-04-0010.html