Retraining Displaced Workers As Nurses - page 6

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When the economy started to slump after the financial meltdown in the U.S. several years ago, masses of displaced workers suddenly began to view nursing as a safe haven. The nursing profession has been a magnet for many... Read More


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    I think when people like myself say "You should not do it for the money.", we are trying to imply that you are not paid well enough for the stress and responsibility we have as a Nurse. If you do not at least like it..a little...I could see fast burnout occurring. My friend who went through dental hygiene school makes 35$ an hour as a new grad, and I live in a M-COL area. Charlotte, NC. Theoretically, there are other jobs that pay better with an associates degree.

    I have always wanted to be a Nurse, and the pay is not too shabby, but ultimately it is my husband's business and my stocks that will us the real money, not Nursing, specifically.
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    Take that to another level- suppose there were thousands of teachers( brand new teachers and old veteran teachers unemployed- and, in all reality; there are); does it make sense to encourage others and spend public funding on educating more people to be come teachers? It's totally illogical. it's not solving any problem in the rates of unemployment, it's adding to it. If there is a large percentage of a working group out of work- why would anyone want to add to it to make the number greater? perhaps the answer to that is: out of stupidity or sadistic reasons- just to see if we can add to the number of unemployed, homeless etc. for poops and giggles?? it's fun to see pictures of the homeless and jobless on the 5-6'oclock news?? Look, Ma! He's sleeping in a cardboard box. Can I sleep in a cardboard box too?

    There's the other part to the"Big, Nursing Lie"-- it's easier to get into than other jobs!!! Who is not getting the memo??? Who needs to open their eyes and look around them.?? Who is(are) the Birdbrain(s) perpetuating this Nursing is the land of milk and honey?

    A good number of teachers are amongst the unemployed also and there isn"t a big public campaign "teacher shortage" Does anyone hear in the teaching profession spouting off false stats of how there really is a teacher shortage-'( aka- you just cant see it right now for all the unemployed teachers) come sign up be a teacher, take student loans out, work for that 3.0 needed for a teaching certification and grad school as entry level ( yes, grad school is entry level into teaching), "Hurry, Hurry, Hurry, Step right up folks, Come claim your chance to a brighter future and financial freedom- be a teacher/nurse" It's a carnival, complete with mirrors. Over here little boy/girl, spin the wheel and take a chance, hurry hurry hurry.' It's criminal.

    Teachers,nurses and doctors are not something one just "tastes" at the smorgasborg table. I bet there are alot of psychopaths and sociopaths( proven to usually have higher intelligences than average) who would be very successful in getting high grades, in a nursing, teaching or medical program but not someone anyone would say would make a good nurse, teacher or doctor or would even want in one of those programs.

    Nursing obviously needs to take an honest unemployment poll amongst it's Nurses. There needs to be some solid truthful facts on the Unemployment/under-employment rate amongst nurse community. Then notify the US dept of labor and stop this ******* charade.

    Have every state BON send out a questionaire to all it's active and inactive licensees. Not hard, they have all nurses addresses. I am well aware the BON did this in the state I was working in 2006.( not sure if it was done in all 50 states). Well- life has changed since then.( again - not rocket science) "the landscape has changed - got a lot of wilted and dead plants on it since then"
    The questions should be:

    Are you: active license, inactive license

    Are you employed: Check one:
    fulltime, part time, looking?given up looking?

    If employed- is your # of hrs. by choice?

    Are you under employed?

    Are you: a new grad; 2-4 yr; 5-10 yr: 20-25 yr: over 30 yr.

    Are you working in nursing, if so in what capacity- your license level or other.

    Do you consider your position: clinical, non clinical nursing or non traditional position or not in nursing at all?

    Questions about you pay- is it higher, the same or lower since 2006, 2007,2008

    What are your specialites: Check all that apply

    If not employed, how long have you been looking?

    What is your highest level of nursing education?

    it doesn't take a Phd or DSN to do this.( I am a little old diploma grad.) It just takes someone who really cares about the true condition of Nursing happening now and an honest concern about where it is going.
    There is no possible way the stats out there on nursing are current- with so many complaints of nursing not finding jobs- young and old. i'm not buying it.
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 19, '12
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    The reason govt is pushing nursing for displaced workers is because it is a job that cannot be outsourced! Cities and states want their citizens to have stable employment to maintain the tax base. It is really out of desperation. Companies have become very adept at "blackmailing" local communities and states and starting a bidding war between different states, the one trying to keep them and the ones trying to lure them away. It is very lucrative for the businesses, but very destructive for the communities! Many times they push thru pay cuts, freezes or a second tier $14-15/hr max for the workers involved!

    What is really sickening is after they win and force these pay cuts and tax credits, they then turn around and give the big shots millions of dollars in bonuses. It is very sad!
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    I'm having a problem with this and was wondering if any of the posters can figure this out. We are retraining displaced workers for other areas into nursing yet I am an RN with 32 years of acute care bedside nursing practice online applying for these jacked up nursing positions due to my unemployment status. Here i have clearly and distinctly applied for CM/UM positions- same job description and requirements( as noted below) but one is 'per deim' and one is 'full time'. The staus of application on both are clearly and distinctly posted straight from my
    "jobs manager" LOL!! The infinate wisdom of all these high tech HR "TOOLS"(LOL- I mean that in the most unflattering way to HR's everywhere) has designated me as "not selected" for the full time position but has me as "received submission" for the perdeim position. My entry to the pre-qualifing questions "Are you an RN and Do you have 3 years case managment experience" are exactly the same in each, yet I am qualified for a perdeim position but not a full time position?? If I only have 2 years in CM would one logicall think I would be more qualified for the full time and not the perdeim?? The only thing I can deduct is that all my past employment is on the resume also include to this farse of an application which is dated back to 1985( my first nursing position)!! The "support services associate=prn" position is an application to a housekeeping position- I threw that in to see if I get a call- that a 56 yr old RN is too old for a nursing position but not for a houskeeping position. The UM withdrawn position was for the same position( they were looking for 2 nurses) I got the same response- "not selected" and they got a rather nasty note in their comment box as to why I would be qualified for housekeeping and a UM perdeim but not UM full time - age discrimination.
    And we are bringing in more nurses into the profession- by hook and crook, in a nursing glut!! I didn't drink the "kool-aide"!! Flame me if you will, the facts speak for themselves. There is age discrimination in Nursing. ( sorry for the 'bold" I was not able to copy and paste their graphics/excell and post)


    Submittals

    Here is a list of the jobs you have submitted your resume to.
    17144 UM CASE MANAGER RN Withdrawn 7/20/2012
    18217 UM CASE MANAGER RN Submitted, Not Selected 7/20/2012 To withdraw your application
    18328 UM CASE MANAGER RN PRN Received Submission 7/20/2012 To withdraw your application
    18602 SUPPORT SERVICES ASSOCIATE PRN Received Submission 7/20/2012 To withdraw your application
    19462 REGISTERED NURSE Withdrawn 7/20/2012

    Job ID:
    18328 Location:
    US- A UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER in my state( I removed the name to protect the guilty)
    Category:
    Professionals Shift:
    As Needed
    Type:
    Per Diem Department Name:
    Care Management

    More information about this job: Short Description:
    The focus of this of this position is to work in collaboration with the physician and interdisciplinary team in the provision of patient care, with the objectives of enhancing the quality of clinical outcomes and patient satisfaction while managing the cost of care and providing timely and accurate information to payers. Goals include improved compliance with best practice guidelines and contribution to the development of systems (eg: care maps, clinical paths) which ultimately improve the care of our patients.
    Special Requirements:

    Current NJ RN license in good standing required, BSN preferred; CCM mustbe achieved by 2012, interqual experience preferred. Some experience in Case Management with utilization review and discharge planning required. 3-5 years of recent clinical experience, preferably in area of population specialty.



    Job ID:
    18217 Location:
    US-A Univ. Medical Center in my State(I removed the name to protect the guilty party)
    Category:
    RNs Shift:
    1st
    Type:
    Full Time Department Name:
    Care Management

    More information about this job: Short Description:
    The focus of this of this position is to work in collaboration with the physician and interdisciplinary team in the provision of patient care, with the objectives of enhancing the quality of clinical outcomes and patient satisfaction while managing the cost of care and providing timely and accurate information to payers. Goals include improved compliance with best practice guidelines and contribution to the development of systems (eg: care maps, clinical paths) which ultimately improve the care of our patients.

    Special Requirements:

    Current NJ RN license in good standing required, BSN preferred; CCM mustbe achieved by 2012, interqual experience preferred. Some experience in Case Management with utilization review and discharge planning required. 3-5 years of recent clinical experience, preferably in area of population specialty.



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