Retraining Displaced Workers As Nurses - page 3
When the economy started to slump after the financial meltdown in the U.S. several years ago, masses of displaced workers suddenly began to view nursing as a safe haven. The nursing profession... Read More
Jul 18, '12So, OK some of you guys don't live in a big metro area like Chicago or are a little inexperienced in the ways of the world. Hey look. Most of our Government does not follow the "rules". This info is clearly gonna be a big shock to some.
Jul 18, '12Ok, Mulan. You are either a 1) very easy-going person where nothing makes you raise an eyebrow or 2) a very, very busy person ridding the world of all the issues that concern you.
Ok, back on topic. My previous posts were responses to others that took us off track. Sorry about that.
Do other professions actively encourage displaced workers to become members of their ranks? There's a dearth of qualified employees in the STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) professions here in the U.S., but the leaders of these fields are not looking at unemployed people as the quick and easy solution to their labor shortages. This country is badly in need of family practice doctors, but I suspect the American Medical Association would frown upon using dislocated workers to fill more slots in medical school.
The amount of responsibility and the seriousness of what we do as nurses refutes that, but the idea persists.
Jul 18, '12Quote from eleectrosaurusPassing NCLEX with 75 questions does not mean someone is a better nurse than the person who passed it with 80 questions, etc. You either pass or you fail.I hear you! I graduated this may from a Community College that is admittedly "old school" we started with 88 people in fundementals and 18 of us graduated! Everyone who graduated is seriously hungry to be a nurse. So far every single one of us has passed the nclex in 75 questions.
What kills me and what i think is seriously hurting the industry are the private , basically 'pay to play'. They aren't in the business of making great nurses they are in the business of making money. In clinicals we ran circles around the students from prestigious private schools. and we get the bum rep from going to a CC.
Jul 18, '12Quote from mulanperhaps she decided that was a hill she didn't want to die on. seriously, if i complained to the person in charge every time something bothered me, i wouldn't even be able to get out of my house.i would have gone to whoever/whatever agency was in charge, even to the media if necessary.
if you're not willing to do something about it, don't complain about it.
Jul 18, '12I was never a "displaced worker" but a homemaker for many years before I started the pre-reqs for my nursing degree. I actually did plan to use a similar program that was widely advertised here in Michigan to pay for my nursing school but all of that money dried up just as I finished my pre-req's (pre-reqs are not paid for by the program) back in the summer of 2010. Its 2012 now and this state is still in a recesssion with an unemployement rate this only kept down because of work that is supplied by part time, contract, or underemployment. A lot of people have left the state as well.
I wouldnt worry too much about jobs being taken by people who just want to earn a paycheck. One of my instructors talked to us about this trend because she had those types of students and was able to follow up with some of them after they graduated and got jobs. She said that they only last a couple of years before they quit and move on to something else or fall back on their previous degree.
Jul 18, '12btw, I am in a catagory of people who cant get a red cent for school outside of loans. I have a lot of debt from school even though I had no income or any jobs skills. My husband doesnt even make enough to cover basic bills but too much for me to qualify for any type of pell grants. Scholorships were a waste of my time filling out the paperwork. I had straight A's in school and it never made any difference.
Jul 18, '12It doesn't appear that those re-employment services were much of a threat to today's registered nurses or taxpayers. The autoworker story was published five years ago...before the national economic meltdown but while auto manufacturing jobs were already being outsourced to China, India, Mexico and Brazil. The article describes two accelerated BSN programs "for people with an existing four-year science-related degree" ("blue-collar" workers?). The lucky few who accessed the limited opportunity (e.g., just 48 students at MSU) paid for all or most of their tuition out of their retirement buyout funds. The three-year training program probably allowed an ADN degree.
Workers who don't qualify for real skills-training programs like a registered nursing degree can access assistance through the Workforce Investment Act, which provides counseling in resume-writing and access to computers for job searches.
Are there readers here who also feel indignant or have reservations about the unemployed Americans now accessing the Veterans Retraining Assistance Program? 99,000 participants, up to $17,676 assistance, 100% taxpayer dollars.
By the way, Anne, Michigan Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm's "No Worker Left Behind" training program didn't just dry up. Present Republican Governor Rick Snyder sat on it for two years to "study" it, and then he even defunded the report which was supposed to have come out this December. Nothing is happening by accident, so don't forget to vote in November!
Jul 18, '12I'm baffled by the posters who criticize those of us who became nurses "for the paycheck". Isn't compensation the reason 99.99999% of people choose the jobs they do. I chose to become a nurse because there is job security and the pay is decent. I'm satisfied with my job and I'm good at it. I don't care if you became a nurse because you have a "calling" or because your mom and grandma were nurses. That doesn't mean you're more "deserving" than me. Frankly, the nursing students who are naive with visions of Florence Nighengale are REALLY the ones who won't last long once they hit the real world.
Jul 18, '12I've read about doctors from foreign countries training to become RN's to come to America because it is apparently very hard to work as a doctor if you were trained in a foreign country. I read about Filipino doctors getting an RN degree in their country to emigrate to America and England. Also there was a program in Florida that trains foreign doctors as nurses to come and work in the hospitals there. I saw this on a news program last year!
Jul 18, '12Twenty years ago I was a displaced worker. Worked in a factory almost 18 years. When I returned to school it was a gift. I got another chance to figure out what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. The choice I screwed up when I was 18.
Honestly, I never had an overwhelming ambition to be a nurse, but when I had to make a career choice healthcare was what I picked. For a lot of different reasons. Not just financial security. Which by the way, is not all that secure.
There were almost 800 of us displaced at the same time. Alot of nurses from that 800 people. I guess the government decided it was a good investment to spend money to train us, as opposed to support us for the next 50 years.
Jul 18, '12chirskelly, I live in Oakland county and the center I went to really did not have money left for nwlb , it had all been allocated and there were no more funds forthcoming. My school still advertised it on their web page long after the money was gone much to my dismay.
Jul 18, '12I am going to let the WIA help get me out of the nursing shackles. I am one old veteran nurse who wants to wear Ann Taylor suits to work. I am just sorry I didn't do it years ago before nursing tunrned into the disgrace it is today, before the varicous veins, flat feet. bunions and PTSD.
Jul 18, '12To Kcmylorn, are you working in nursing or IT today? Did you follow thru with the IT training program and if so do you like it? My brother is a computer programmer and makes a six-figure income, but when he tried to show me computers I was totally bored and out of my element. It is not for me!
The problem of older nurses being forced out of their jobs is part of the larger ruthless corporate practices in America to save money at all costs. Its part of the greedy, corporate group think of hospitals today that have joined the bandwagon to cut costs any way they can. Outsource janitorial and cafeteria workers, and since you can't outsource nurses then get rid of the older nurses for new grads at the bottom of the wage scale. But this is happening everywhere in America today, one of the reason there are so many displaced workers going into nursing. Read the book The Disposable American and you can find out you are not alone.
What can we do? First try to work for a unionized hospital where layoffs are based by seniority, not just at the whim of management who can layoff anyone they want, ie older, higher wage or higher healthcare cost employees. There was a nurse on here who spoke of losing her job due to her husbands high medical bills. Without a union, you're just living on a prayer. Playing the game, sucking up, etc is a survival mechanism to keep a job these days in America!
Many of us don't have the luxury of working for a union, esp in the south or west. You just have to save your money and don't put it all into a 403B, instead save the max in a Roth IRA every year, currently $5,000 or $6,000 if over 50. That can be your emergency fund if you lose your job or get sick or injured. Only contribute up to the match in your 403b due to poor investment choices and high hidden fees, then make sure to max out your Roth IRA, Vanguard has the lowest fees in the industry and you can start with $1,000 Vangard Star fund, a diverse index fund of stocks and bonds. Then if you still want to save more money, go back to your 403b. Hopefully, the 403b fees will go down now that they are required to disclose all their fees this summer; first to the employer, and later we should all become aware of just how badly we are being taken by the 403b companies!
To those with debt, the book Deal with your debt, helps guide you in how best to pay down your debt, while maintaining financial flexibility to protect yourself in these times of uncertainty. Make sure you have disability insurance. I read 1 in 4 people become disabled between 45 and 65 so you need to have a back up plan just in case!Last edit by brandy1017 on Jul 18, '12