Religion's Place in Nursing - page 32

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    As for passionate Christian believers wanting to "correct ignorance", etc., maybe I can help some understand the reason. There are some admonitions in the Bible (I'm too lazy to look them up now, but I might share the references later), that if you warn someone, and they don't take heed, they will die in their sin, but it's not your fault because you warned them. If you don't warn them that they're heading for trouble, they will die in their sin, but it's also your fault, and God will hold you responsible as well.
    (I'm paraphrasing, of course.)
    People who feel this responsibility generally aren't trying to be mean. They feel a responsibility to share the Christian gospel message to try to spare people from eternal punishment. That message includes: all people have sinned and need God's forgiveness.
  2. by   indigo
    I don't believe this article about Billy Graham is pertinent to nursing at all. I think it's inappropriate for this forum. Your religious views have no place here.

    I respect your right to practice your religion, but this is a forum about nursing, not your favorite bible stories.
  3. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from Frances LeMay
    Mother Theresa set an excellent example of Christianity.
    I admire her example of compassion.
  4. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from shel_wny
    Sure. My thread is (or was...ugh) about Religion and Nursing. I wondered if perhaps your religious beliefs brought you to nursing or if maybe your religious beliefs help you cope with death and disease on a daily basis. I don't much care about what your religion is, who preaches to you, and who is wrong or right.

    Shel
    For me, yes. I would say my beliefs had an influence on my interest in nursing. I go through times of questioning, but my faith and prayer have been a way of coping with life in general.
  5. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    As for passionate Christian believers wanting to "correct ignorance", etc., maybe I can help some understand the reason. There are some admonitions in the Bible (I'm too lazy to look them up now, but I might share the references later), that if you warn someone, and they don't take heed, they will die in their sin, but it's not your fault because you warned them. If you don't warn them that they're heading for trouble, they will die in their sin, but it's also your fault, and God will hold you responsible as well.
    (I'm paraphrasing, of course.)
    People who feel this responsibility generally aren't trying to be mean. They feel a responsibility to share the Christian gospel message to try to spare people from eternal punishment. That message includes: all people have sinned and need God's forgiveness.
    Well, then they need to learn to back off when we tell them, we've already heard, we don't believe the way that they do.

    Which is quite honestly what many of us stated politely at the beginning of this discourse after the Billy Graham post.

    But the politeness wears thin, when people JUST DON'T GET IT, and act like it is a personal affront to their Christ when we chose to believe otherwise and then launch into diatribes about how people need to speak up a defend their sweet Jesus. Not believing should not be considered a personal affront.

    Some of us don't believe in Jesus. And if you have lived in the USA for any length of time, it is virtually impossible not to "know" about your Christ. But when we tell you that we are not interested, could you please accept us as we are. Trust me, if we are interested we will ask.
  6. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from shel_wny
    How insightful! I didn't even think about the historical aspects of it. Thanks for bringing this up. Time for a lil research!

    Shel
    I'll see if I can find something. It might take some digging.
  7. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Well, then they need to learn to back off when we tell them, we've already heard, we don't believe the way that they do.

    Which is quite honestly what many of us stated politely at the beginning of this discourse after the Billy Graham post.

    But the politeness wears thin, when people JUST DON'T GET IT, and act like it is a personal affront to their Christ when we chose to believe otherwise and then launch into diatribes about how people need to speak up a defend their sweet Jesus. Not believing should not be considered a personal affront.

    Some of us don't believe in Jesus. And if you have lived in the USA for any length of time, it is virtually impossible not to "know" about your Christ. But when we tell you that we are not interested, could you please accept us as we are. Trust me, if we are interested we will ask.
    I agree with you.
  8. by   caroladybelle
    And so help me, if someone starts into the "But he is your Christ, too...he died for your sins, etc" (without realizing that my religion does not require anyone to die for anyone's sins, G-d does not accept or require such a sacrifice and that the idea that G-d killing his children will repulse us more from your religion), I will know that they just don't get it.
    Last edit by caroladybelle on May 17, '04
  9. by   Spidey's mom
    Don't worry Carol . . . I'd never say that to you. And I'm a wacko born-again Christian.

    steph :kiss
  10. by   caroladybelle
    Thanks, Stevie!!!!!
  11. by   nursemeow
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Thanks, Stevie!!!!!
    Woh..ok back to the topic @ hand. "Reilgion" in nursing. Whatever faith we have will leak into the workplace, sure. Especially since as nurses we are right there witnessing what may be the deepest struggle families/people journey. Me, I'm not half as complicated as others. The God/Power I believe in would never punish me eternally :angryfire or have my soul suffer a painful infinate afterlife because I AM A "NONBELIEVER".... sounds like some of ya'll are worshiping the wrong dude. :chuckle (Sorry, had to get my crack in there, geez I've been called "ignorent" 10 times for my belief on this thread thank you very much) aanyway, your "truth" has been interpreted from paper.. mine is in my heart, soul, and enviroment. As for the duty some of you feel to warn us about bla bla..um we will pass.. this is a neverending topic for a reason. Nobody, yes NOBODY knows 100% so if ya think ya do, hey more power to ya..but as for nursing and MY faith, well Nightengale's testimony sort of hits the nail on the head with how I swear to practice. My faith just gets me thru the day. I will pray with my patients or do anything in my heart and of course legal scope that I can do and I will do it with integrity. It's quite simple. Karma. What goes around comes around. I will use my faith to give me strength to become the absolute potential I can be in my life and hopefully that will radiate to others around me in the most positive way. And I'll have fun doing so, resting peacefully not worrying about the afterlife. CAN I GET AN AMEN!
  12. by   BayMae10
    Ok two things my mommy told me never to talk about, religion and poliltics, and guess what i am doing.....
    Some of the statements by people on here have bothered me, i am and stronge believe. religion has guided my life many times. and whether it is in my head or not is no ones buiness by my own.
    as it affects my life in nursing, i work in a very busy ed. and we have looks of bad accidents, its a vacation community, and i look to God, Yes God, at times to guide though my day and help me thank him for the safty and life of my family. that is my choice and i dont need to justify that to anyone. if someone asks me to pray with them, and it has happened, then and ONLY them do i allow my faith to become part of job!
    whatever you believe is fine thats your choice but the people on here that state their belifes some of you have not right to bash on them. we all can have some ot none in our life and thats cool with me. just resect me for having mine and if you can do that, then whos igonorent now!

    sorry i was a little nasty but this is one thing that i feel a little strong about, hope we're still friends in the morning....LOL
  13. by   teeituptom
    Quote from stevielynn
    Don't worry Carol . . . I'd never say that to you. And I'm a wacko born-again Christian.

    steph :kiss
    and Im a wacko born again Golfing Christian

    the everlasting church of the Eternal Green

    I keep praying over those 40 foot birdie and eagle putts

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