Religion's Place in Nursing - page 31

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Quote from Kyriaka
    Shel,

    Sometimes people have attacked me for saying Xmas saying that I am X'ing out Christs name. But it is only in their ignorance of Greek. In Greek, Christos is reverently abbrv. with an X.

    Just another tidbit of info. Perhaps for your time on Jepardy one day!!

    The abbreviation X came in handy for me when I was taking notes at church.
  2. by   sbic56
    Quote from CNM2B
    LOLOLOL!!!! Ya know, up until they were merged, we were having such a nice discussion, save a few select people. We were even talking about how good we were all being.
    So true! Goes to show how volatile this subject can be. Actually, I think the mods know, are testing us, and trying to see if we can all get along. Can we??
  3. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    Shel, would you like to enlighten some of us as to the topic of your thread?
  4. by   talaxandra
    I have just read the 393 posts (to date) in one sitting, and am a little overwhelmed, so please excuse me if I phrase anything in a way that feels inflammatory - that's not my intent.
    I'm interested in why some Christians (and I mention Christians only because the representatives on other denominations don't seem to have such a strong reaction) seem so incensed at the idea of people having different belief systems.
    For example (and I'm not picking on her, this is just an illustrative example):

    Quote from jemommy
    It just really angers me when people question our precious Lord. Speaking nicely to them won't reach out. Just because i am a christian does that mean that I can't stand up for God (what is right). I'm not going to just let people degrade my Jesus and what He stands for without a fight. I feel as strongly about Him as I do any other member in my family. He is sooo Precious. He's my Savior. I love Him wholeheartedly and someone has to stand up to these NONBELIEVERS. It is not my job to convince them to believe, but it is my DUTY as a christian woman to correct their ignorance when speaking about GOD.
    I appreciate feeling strongly, particularly if you believe that Jesus is a concrete person (versus an ideal or a prophet) and your personal savior. But surely Jesus' validity isn't ursurped because it's questioned - if this stance is correct then Jesus is divine, omniscient and omnipotent, and therefore not capable of being hurt by a human being's disbelief. I'm not talking about a God-feels-the-fall-of-a-sparrow kind of awareness - the level of outrage seems disproportionate to the cause, and I'm genuinely (non-trolly) interested in why this is.
    Also (in for a penny, in for a pound), why is it that people care what faith other people have? Given that there is so much diversity even among people who have the same background and articulate having the same faith, it's not even as though one can predict what kind of person an individual is based on the professed beliefs. After all, I'm sure we all know church-on-Sunday types, who are unpleasant and divisive during the week, and lovely shirt-off-their-backs non-Christians.
    I find religious debate very interesting, and can highly recommend a site for anyone else interested: www.beliefnet.com - as well as having religion-specific sites (eg in the Buddhism section you can learn about Buddhism, and ask questions, and debate aspects of living a Buddhist life in a 21st century world) there are also gloves-off areas, where some spectacular flame wars break out. It also has a quiz that gives you information on the religion which most closely fits with your belief system - many people I know have a top three match with Unitarianism (hi Owney).
  5. by   Betty_SPN_KS
    In response to questions such as Why are some Christians so "intolerant"? :
    If you believe that the biblical character of Jesus is real, and you believe what he said, that is, his claim to be the only way of salvation, then that would exclude all other ways. It doesn't necessarily mean you are attacking other people or being unkind or mean to say that you believe he is the only way.
    A verbal disagreement isn't the same as actual killing or confiscating property over different beliefs, as has been done (wrongly) at times in church history (and some religions still teach hatred and killing of those who don't believe as they do).
    Last edit by Betty_SPN_KS on May 16, '04
  6. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    In response to questions such as Why are some Christians so "intolerant"? :
    If you believe that the biblical character of Jesus is real, and you believe what he said, that is, his claim to be the only way of salvation, then that would exclude all other ways. It doesn't necessarily mean you are attacking other people or being unkind or mean to say that you believe he is the only way.
    A verbal disagreement isn't the same as actual killing or confiscating property over different beliefs, as has been done (wrongly) at times in church history (and some religions still teach hatred and killing of those who don't believe as they do).
    Mother Theresa set an excellent example of Christianity.
  7. by   nursemeow
    Wow, someone mentioned that it is her "duty" to correct my/our "ignorence" with regards to God. I am speechless. I was not aware that I am an "ignorent" person because of "my" faith is not exactly of yours. Is this really how some people live their lives??? They hold the divine absolute truth and everyone else is ... well.. stupid? "ignorent"? illiterate? unsophisticated? rude? uneducated? crude? naive? oblivious? uncouth? hmmm. That saddens me and in the same moment it actually makes me thank God for giving me the mind that I have. I respect everyone's faith, but apparently they don't respect mine. Oh well, not my problem. But as for the woman who feels she has this divine "duty" to "correct" "ignorance" how about becoming a law enforcer/police officer? That is the only way in my opinion that you will be able to successfully achieve such a goal. For the record... cults scare me.
  8. by   nursemeow
    Quote from docnurse
    What saddens me is that somewhere along the line so many people have had dealings with "righteous Christians" that have totally turned them against Christianity. I was always taught that I had no right to force my beliefs on anyone. All people are loved by God, whether they all believe alike or not.
    Whoever you are thank you! This is exactly how I feel. I agree 105,000% and I appreciate you and your respect. ALOT of people could use a lesson or two from you. GOD BLESS YA!
  9. by   shel_wny
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    I think the influence of Christianity and the history of nursing went hand in hand. Today it's very individual. But according to what we were told in school, before Christianity came along, women weren't thought to be worthy to care for the sick. No, I didn't go to a religious school. It was a secular community college.
    How insightful! I didn't even think about the historical aspects of it. Thanks for bringing this up. Time for a lil research!

    Shel
  10. by   shel_wny
    Quote from Betty_SPN_KS
    Shel, would you like to enlighten some of us as to the topic of your thread?
    Sure. My thread is (or was...ugh) about Religion and Nursing. I wondered if perhaps your religious beliefs brought you to nursing or if maybe your religious beliefs help you cope with death and disease on a daily basis. I don't much care about what your religion is, who preaches to you, and who is wrong or right.

    Shel
  11. by   shel_wny
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Please take that concern to the mods.

    I already have done so.
    I left them a message under the Contact Us link. I'm still fairly new to this place and if this is how things are run I'd like out now before I waste any more of my time. I am quite sure there are plenty of places out there where threads are left unbroken and where questions are able to be answered. I feel quite strongly about being able to create my own thread and not have it smashed together with something that was totally different by some admin who didn't read either of the threads in full. And that's enough about that. I'm tired of talking about the flub and on to better and brighter things. If anyone else is left confused as to where the old thread went and why this big huge jumbled one has over 300 posts...click that lil Contact Us link and ask em yourself! As for the topic, again, I repeated it a few posts up from this one.
    K thanks bye. *stumbles a bit as she steps off the soapbox*

    Shel
  12. by   Kyriaka
    Tala,

    I give tours of the Chuch building during Greek Fest every year. Imagine my surprised when I was admonished by a fellow Christian that what gave us Greeks the right to change scriptures from the original English into Greek!??

    I was stunned.

    I dont even bother. I see no reason to argue about whether my Jesus is better than someone elses Jesus. I think questioning is a part of life and of learning and "doubting" Thomas was not caste out.
  13. by   ChrisA
    Quote from Kyriaka
    Tala,

    I give tours of the Chuch building during Greek Fest every year. Imagine my surprised when I was admonished by a fellow Christian that what gave us Greeks the right to change scriptures from the original English into Greek!??

    I was stunned.

    I dont even bother. I see no reason to argue about whether my Jesus is better than someone elses Jesus. I think questioning is a part of life and of learning and "doubting" Thomas was not caste out.
    That's hilarious, Kyriaka. It peeves me a bit when Christians don't know their church history. 'Course, it peeves me more then they let dogma get in the way of kindness and love. As for that quote from jemommy:
    Quote from jemommy
    He is sooo Precious. He's my Savior. I love Him wholeheartedly and someone has to stand up to these NONBELIEVERS.
    Well, largely because Christ told his disciples to knock the dust of their sandals if people weren't going to listen to them, and to turn the other cheek when they're abused. Following any faith is going to be hard, and arguing for what you're convinced is right is pointless if you're not listening as much as you're talking.

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