Religion's Place in Nursing - page 25

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   Kyriaka
    Shel,

    Actually in this part of the South most people are Christians of the Catholic persuasion since this city has been under 5 flags and is a French territory just as New Orleans.

    Then, of course, there is Tarpon Springs Florida whose Chamber of Commerce web site is in Greek since most of the citizens are Greek Americans.

    The US is one big salad!
  2. by   tmiller027
    I wish more people would just leave their religion at the door. I am not religious, but I respect other people's beliefs. How ever we have a few at our nursing home who feel its their job to save the world. I got sucked into a discussion with one girl on my lunch break who unded up waving her fork at me while preaching hellfire and brimstone. It upset me a bit because I've never been rude to her have always had respect for her beliefs so when she's standing their telling me, "You'll be really sorry when you end up in hell..."

    I believe this is how wars have been started LOL
  3. by   shel_wny
    Quote from Kyriaka
    Shel,

    Actually in this part of the South most people are Christians of the Catholic persuasion since this city has been under 5 flags and is a French territory just as New Orleans.

    Then, of course, there is Tarpon Springs Florida whose Chamber of Commerce web site is in Greek since most of the citizens are Greek Americans.

    The US is one big salad!
    I love the diversity, myself.

    Shel
  4. by   shel_wny
    Quote from tmiller027
    I wish more people would just leave their religion at the door. I am not religious, but I respect other people's beliefs. How ever we have a few at our nursing home who feel its their job to save the world. I got sucked into a discussion with one girl on my lunch break who unded up waving her fork at me while preaching hellfire and brimstone. It upset me a bit because I've never been rude to her have always had respect for her beliefs so when she's standing their telling me, "You'll be really sorry when you end up in hell..."

    I believe this is how wars have been started LOL
    I'm not evangelical myself, but I understand that some people feel that they are doing the right thing by evangelizing to others. I try to understand that and remember that they are only doing what they think and know is right. Helps a bit.

    Shel
  5. by   tmiller027
    Quote from shel_wny
    I'm not evangelical myself, but I understand that some people feel that they are doing the right thing by evangelizing to others. I try to understand that and remember that they are only doing what they think and know is right. Helps a bit.

    Shel

    Thats fine, except for when they go on and on and on and on...then on some more. lol Next time I might not be so polite.
  6. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from shel_wny
    I'm not evangelical myself, but I understand that some people feel that they are doing the right thing by evangelizing to others. I try to understand that and remember that they are only doing what they think and know is right. Helps a bit.

    Shel
    Actually really only alienates us more.

    (where is the beating head against wall or beating a dead horse smiley when you need one?)
  7. by   eltrip
    I dunno...the evangelizers frequently alienate me too...and i'm a Christian.

    I thoroughly agree w/ what St. Francis said "Preach continuously. When necessary, use words." (probably not exact but the meaning is the same). If my life doesn't show the difference that my faith has made, who will care to know about this faith?
  8. by   susanna
    Quote from tmiller027
    I wish more people would just leave their religion at the door. I am not religious, but I respect other people's beliefs. How ever we have a few at our nursing home who feel its their job to save the world. I got sucked into a discussion with one girl on my lunch break who unded up waving her fork at me while preaching hellfire and brimstone. It upset me a bit because I've never been rude to her have always had respect for her beliefs so when she's standing their telling me, "You'll be really sorry when you end up in hell..."

    I believe this is how wars have been started LOL
    This upsets me. I wanted to become a Christian but couldnt bring myself to do it after I actually met alot of Christians and didnt like how they defined what to give faith to someone was. Christians have tried, both in covert and overt ways, to make me feel scared that if I did not join, I would never feel accepted by them(I already felt accepted by a higher power).
    Here's my take on all the "You're going to Hell" people:

    Anyone who tries to sway you in to joining only their way of faith by making you first feel threatened, scared, or ashamed or ridiculed of your self, is manipulating you for their own means, not for the sake of giving faith. Faith does not try scare or make people feel more tortured than they already feel; it gives them hope and to keep trying to scare someone into accepting only one's own particular faith is like continuing to slap someone across the face until they accept your way. Playing with someone's emotions to make them feel scared so that they are cornered to turn only your way is manipulation.

    Giving someone the carthatic means (whether that be suggesting a certain religion, spirituality, protection, or paying for tae kwon doe lessons for that person) to not feel scared and to feel accepted and safe where they are right now, is giving someone the gift of faith.

    Thats my angered diversion. So, to answer the original question of shel-wny:Yes, I think faith or spirituality is simply a means of hope and the feeling of comfort, that everything is going to be okay for you in the world, in brief, a means of keeping your own sanity in what seems like a random and insane world. So, yes, christianity and spirituality are means of keeping one's self and sanity in stock. I guess what I wanted to say is that people also use them, whether they know it or not, as means for manipulation.
  9. by   ChrisA
    Exactly how is nursing supposed to be a way of "increasing the Kingdom of God"? I thought the idea was to, you know, help people get through illnesses. People aren't actually proselytizing to patients, are they? I take a dim view of the "are you saved" speeches. Francis supposedly said "Go and preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words." People who use too many words too soon are a little high-pressure, if you ask me.

    Anyway, now, what do people consider the difference between religion and spirituality? And as for the chicken and egg thing, that's probably not black and white: I suspect that people come into nursing with a small measure of spiritual understanding, and then they see that there's a lot of "god talk" so they increase their own god talk. Who knows, though.

    So to sum up: people talk a lot of spiritual talk because spirituality is important to them and (they feel) makes them better nurses. People talk a lot of religion stuff on here because religion is the most organized way of expressing spirituality. People talk a lot of Christianity stuf on here because a) Christianity's very popular in the main countries represented on this site, and b) many types of Christianity encourage people to talk about their faith a whole lot to try to get people to come get born again.
  10. by   jyoung1950
    Just tell them that you are because you take to heart the words at John 3:16.



    Quote from Kyriaka
    I am a Greek Orthodox Christian and it is part of who I am. I dont push my faith on other people. If they ask me a question I answer it (my Easter is almost always 2 weeks--5 weeks later than everyone elses so that usually starts a discussion in the workplace).

    But the one thing that just irritates me is people coming up to me (particularly in this part of the country) and saying, "but do you know 100% that you are saved!?"
  11. by   shel_wny
    Quote from ChrisA
    So to sum up: people talk a lot of spiritual talk because spirituality is important to them and (they feel) makes them better nurses. People talk a lot of religion stuff on here because religion is the most organized way of expressing spirituality. People talk a lot of Christianity stuf on here because a) Christianity's very popular in the main countries represented on this site, and b) many types of Christianity encourage people to talk about their faith a whole lot to try to get people to come get born again.
    Very enlightening! That makes so much sense to me. Thanks a lot.

    Shel
  12. by   WandaT
    I only read a few of the comments because they made me so sad. It must be very difficult in the practice of nursing to be without hope for the future. Yes there is a future, even after death. Whether you believe it or not, accept it or not, hope for it or not. How do you cope with the loss of a loved one, patient, whether it be an adult or child? My hope and prayer for each of you is that you will truly seek answers (which, believe it or not I have done) not just rely on the retoric of the media, movies, books or men without hope to tell you what is truth.
  13. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Actually really only alienates us more.

    (where is the beating head against wall or beating a dead horse smiley when you need one?)

    WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK. (it's not dead yet).

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