Religion's Place in Nursing - page 2

I often read Billy Graham's column and thought today's was particulary pertinent to our profession. I'm just curious as to your own personal thoughts and feelings on the matter. (Please, no... Read More

  1. by   J Lynn
    I'm not sure how to respond to all these posts. It saddens me. I'm not going to start a debate only because as a Christian, I don't like to argue about religion. Some people just don't get it. If you are seeking peace in your life, then try doing it without Jesus, and let me know how it's working for you.
  2. by   psychomachia
    Quote from J Lynn
    Some people just don't get it. If you are seeking peace in your life, then try doing it without Jesus, and let me know how it's working for you.
    works for me....
  3. by   Brickman
    Quote from J Lynn
    If you are seeking peace in your life, then try doing it without Jesus, and let me know how it's working for you.
    It's this kind of backhanded nastiness from so called christians that keeps me out of church.
  4. by   sbic56
    Quote from J Lynn
    I'm not sure how to respond to all these posts. It saddens me. I'm not going to start a debate only because as a Christian, I don't like to argue about religion. Some people just don't get it. If you are seeking peace in your life, then try doing it without Jesus, and let me know how it's working for you.
    It would help your cause, if you could realize that your way is not the only way. Your statement shows no respect for others belief systems. There are many paths to peace and enlightenment. You, in effect, say that unless everyone folllows the same faith as you, they are retched souls of no hope. Even Jesus wouldn't approve of a stance such as you have taken.
  5. by   docnurse
    What saddens me is that somewhere along the line so many people have had dealings with "righteous Christians" that have totally turned them against Christianity. I was always taught that I had no right to force my beliefs on anyone. All people are loved by God, whether they all believe alike or not.
  6. by   Jaaaman
    Quote from jaimealmostRN
    Oh, didn't realize that Billy was there 2000 years ago :angryfire ... I am Presbryterian, but believe that the bible is metaphorical. Ain't no one rising from the dead...I think the message is that being conveyed is that death isn't the end and/or personal change is always possible. And it's funny how "holy" billy is, and then goes on to bash some of god's children (gay, jewish,etc.) Someone who is truly enlightened shows tolerance and acceptance of others.
    Where in the letter does he bash God's children? I did not read anything that he said to indicate intolerance or unacceptance of others.
  7. by   Jaaaman
    And besides which, this lady was asking Billy Graham what she could do to overcome her feelings about death. What was he going to say? "I'm sorry lady, I can't state my personal convictions in fear of you thinking my thoughts are intolerant and bashing you because of your unbelief"?
    Of course he's going to try to give her the best biblical advice he can on the subject of death!
    Last edit by Jaaaman on Apr 12, '04
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    Actually I remember reading an article about Mr. Graham in TIME a few years ago. And I am familiar with his writings and you couldn't be more wrong about him.

    "in the 1980s he became a preacher of world peace, urging reconciliation with Russia and China, where his wife Ruth, the daughter of missionaries, was born. Angry Fundamentalists turned against him, a move that became an anti-Graham passion when he rejected the program of the Christian right: "I don't think Jesus or the Apostles took sides in the political arenas of their day." The break between Graham and the Christian right became absolute when he denounced the violence of the antiabortion group Operation Rescue. "The tactics," Graham declared, "ought to be prayer and discussion."

    He is NOT Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell. His compassion shines and even though he holds "fundamental" beliefs about abortion, etc., he reaches out with love and compassion instead of anger and divisiveness. Billy does not bash God's children.

    And just a little observation for those of you who don't believe in the resurrection . . .you are taking to task those who do for belittling your beliefs while at the same time belittling those of us who do.

    A conversation about the resurrection is fine but lets not bash each other.

    steph
  9. by   J Lynn
    Quote from docnurse
    All people are loved by God, whether they all believe alike or not.
    But not everyone loves God, yet expect him to be there in tough times.
  10. by   J Lynn
    Quote from Brickman
    It's this kind of backhanded nastiness from so called christians that keeps me out of church.
    I'm not at all nasty. I've never even used the back of my hand to be nasty.:chuckle
  11. by   donmurray
    Billy G has a track record of intolerance and smallmindedness more than fifty years long.
  12. by   J Lynn
    [[QUOTE]QUOTE=docnurse]What saddens me is that somewhere along the line so many people have had dealings with "righteous Christians" that have totally turned them against Christianity.

    How can anyone FORCE Christianity on anyone? You either believe in it or not.
  13. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from donmurray
    Billy G has a track record of intolerance and smallmindedness more than fifty years long.
    If you are talking about the way he preached in the 1950's when almost everyone held the same views of abortion and homosexuality, you are right that he preached more black and white. But he has himself acknowledged struggling with those views and while he still believes that abortion kills a human baby and that homosexuality is wrong he definitely does not BASH folks, even though he affirms the fundamentals-the literal truth of the Bible: the virgin birth, atoning death and the bodily resurrection of Christ; the Second Coming; salvation purely through grace by faith and not works. And he has even admitted to being unsure about the afterlife. He is a kindhearted man and doesn't deserve to be mischaracterized.

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion of matters of faith. That does not make them intolerant. You may be steadfast in your belief about abortion or homosexuality . .does that make you intolerant of my views? I think using the word "intolerant" is the wrong definition. Steadfast in what he believes may be better. As you are steadfast in whatever you believe.

    I think the difference between Billy Graham and Pat Robertson is that Billy reaches out with compassion and love and Pat hits you in the head with the Bible. Hey, you can bash Pat and his ilk all you want . . they don't represent the majority of evangelicals.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Apr 12, '04

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