Raising minimum wage ..RN Salaries increase? - page 5

I am trying to wrap my head around ,raising the minimum wage /nursing salaries .In my area CNA 11/hour ,Lpn 17/hour,Rn 25hour . Recently they mandate RNs to have a 4 year degree ,which costs between... Read More

  1. by   Flatline
    Quote from LibraSunCNM
    Would that this were true. Unfortunately, the steady increase in income inequality over the last several decades in this country demonstrates that it isn't.
    I am not sure if income disparity equates to opportunity. I believe they are distinct, both are important considerations but distinct from each other.
  2. by   Flatline
    I have never been able to understand why people work to arbitrarily raise income, presumably increasing inflation, instead of decreasing prices and lowering inflation?

    Is it the human need to constantly gain, even if just psychological? Lowest hanging fruit?

    I would think the best long term investment is in making the dollar go farther instead of just diluting it.
  3. by   nehneh14
    Quote from LibraSunCNM
    Would that this were true. Unfortunately, the steady increase in income inequality over the last several decades in this country demonstrates that it isn't.
    Agreed. And, it's plainly obvious from recent and not so recent events and socioeconomic reports that there most definitely not plenty of opportunity for everyone in this country, and not nearly solely due to income inequality. Claiming, "plenty of opportunity for everyone" is an incredibly specious and flippant claim, and is easily refuted with a bare minimum of research.
  4. by   Butterfly_Effect
    Mini 2544, Let me remind you we live under socialism already: Medicare, the Military, Medicaid, the Police, the Fire department, Education, Roads/Highways, Parks, and several other public funded programs. Do you like your water clean? Do you like to drive on your roads without constantly having to change your tires? These are small examples of the public funding something for the people as a whole to benefit. Also, as long as the top 1% keeps hiring lobbyists in congress to funnel taxpayer money in their direction, along with sending trillions of dollars to banks abroad, we are not following a model of Capitalism, we are following a model of theft.
    Last edit by Butterfly_Effect on Oct 12
  5. by   Butterfly_Effect
    Quote from a1shif
    Seattle area here, living in the world of the $15 minimum wage. I make about 60% more than my previous job in another state. Jobs are definitely not scarce here which I feel shows that argument does not fly. My electric bill? $17. Food? Same cost. Gas? About $3/gallon. The housing is more expensive but not due to gouging. The demand is so high and the supply low because they can't build fast enough and there is one housing unit for every 3 jobs available. 85,000 people didn't move here last year because it sucks here. Transit is awesome. Crime not bad. Climate wonderful. Not enough people to fill all of the jobs of any type. Much happier workers in general.
    Similar story here as well. Minnesota and business is booming.
  6. by   LibraSunCNM
    Quote from Flatline
    I have never been able to understand why people work to arbitrarily raise income, presumably increasing inflation, instead of decreasing prices and lowering inflation?

    Is it the human need to constantly gain, even if just psychological? Lowest hanging fruit?

    I would think the best long term investment is in making the dollar go farther instead of just diluting it.
    How is it arbitrary to need cost of living adjustments in your wage as the cost of living steadily increases??? As I stated before, it's become impossible to live on the minimum wage, and has been that way for some time, so...that's why workers are in favor of raising it. Not arbitrary, necessary.

    You're free to disagree that income disparity doesn't relate to opportunity but I don't understand that argument. The myth of everyone in the U.S. being on a level playing field and equally able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and create the American Dream is sweet, but not true. The more money you have, the more opportunity you have to go further in life. Is it possible to start with nothing and be self-made? Of course, but it's harder and harder with the wealthiest people in the country doing their best to keep squeezing those people beneath them out of said opportunities.
  7. by   hherrn
    Quote from HalfBoiled
    Because there aren't any.
    Like you, I am in favor of raising the minimum wage.

    But, of course there are downsides, or dangers, as you put it.
    And, there are studies that support this.


    How hard did you look? It took me around a minute, and I am old.
  8. by   brandy1017
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    Is there anybody in the world, in any line of work, that doesn't feel that they're underpaid?
    I'm sure the CEO's don't feel underpaid! Even when they resign or are forced out they get a golden parachute worth millions of dollars to cushion the blow!
  9. by   brandy1017
    Quote from Dformola
    I am trying to wrap my head around ,raising the minimum wage /nursing salaries .In my area CNA 11/hour ,Lpn 17/hour,Rn 25hour .
    Recently they mandate RNs to have a 4 year degree ,which costs between 40-200 k.
    If minimum wage increases to 15 hr ..this would force an increase..How can you pay McDonald's workers more ..when CNA's are
    doing backbreaking work ,nightshift ,leaving thier families on weakends and holidays ? This would force a increase all the way up .I do worry though ..that this will make staffing short /and healthcare insurance prices to rise .
    If you are going to become an RN choose the cheapest way available, state two year community colleges are usually the cheapest route, then consider an online BSN from WGU Western Governors University. Don't go into debt and if you have to keep it to a minimum. Live at home or with roommates if you have to. Believe me you will be so glad you aren't swimming in debt. It took me over 20 years to pay off my student loans because I went to a private college and it was only $22,000 but the interest was very high and I was only making $13\hr when I started! Many years I regretted school and felt I should have just stayed as a secretary when I had to make the loan payment. To top it off I liked my secretarial job much more than being a nurse. Nursing is so overrated and I don't recommend it!
  10. by   kcochrane
    Quote from Flatline
    I am not sure if income disparity equates to opportunity. I believe they are distinct, both are important considerations but distinct from each other.
    I agree. There is also a motivational aspect to that. Getting my RN meant student loans, working full time nights and being tired all the time. Most people are not going to want to do that. Starting a business with my boyfriend means working full time days, OT and working at the store evenings and weekends. We didn't have grants or start up money, it was all week to week. Again tired all the time. New York State has free tuition now for students. There are opportunities.
  11. by   Roz, RN
    I earned my BSN in 1980. My first job as an RN earned me $6.85/hr. Right now, I'm making just over $27.00/hr. When inflation and cost of living are figured in, I'm not making that much more than when I started!
  12. by   Roz, RN
    Why not put a cap on how much CEOs and their ilk make? Their salaries and benefit packages are nothing like the rest of us have. No one needs a to make millions of dollars in one year. If they made less, those a teddy the bottom should make more.
  13. by   jay_prn
    I wish the United States would treat education like a public health issue, as many European nations do. Democracies are strengthened by an educated populace. If we had the sense to fund public universities with tax dollars and make them essentially tuition-free, we'd eliminate the burden of student debt for the next generation. That and raising the minimum wage would go a long way toward a stronger economy and, frankly, a healthier, happier nation.

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