Quit or be fired? - page 10

I have been with the same company for 4 years and have NEVER called out b/c of snow/ice storms. This weekend my two kids ages 16 and 12 will have to be alone while I'm at work and its a pretty sure... Read More

  1. by   z's playa
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    ]Yes..I know but it seems to me that people's bosses are telling them they have no choice. Yeah sure they have the choice to quit their job but wow...what a choice! I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    I will look into how illegal it is though. Here its legal for 14 year olds to babysit. At least I hope so since I've ben babysittig since i was 13. (with the babysitting course or not) Ice storm or no ice storm.

    Please remember it isnt about who's right or who isn't. Just different ways of doing things. :


    I am not slamming you. I know you disagree. Yes, we disagree, that is ok. Just remember, leaving kids for what could be 1 or 2 DAYS in bad weather is NOT the same as babysitting. I babysat from age 11 on, but I know I would not have been ready to take charge of younger kids in a dangerous storm w/potential utility outages for what 2 or 3 days with no adult resource to turn to at an age younger than 17. Kids should not have to fend for themselves, when parents have a choice. And there was a choice in this example, albeit NOT easy for her to make.

    And yes, under 16, you might want to check provincial law on this.....I know you would not want to break the law and/or endanger your family in any way. ON that, I am sure you and I would definately agree. And to me it would not be a choice. If they threatened me this way, the dayum job would have to GO. Kids first. Easy? No, but crystal clear to me.

    Sorry..I should have clarified. I babysat for extended periods of time like 2 days but parents had cell phones and I was very capable. Overly qualified for my age but it was all good. The money at my age was awesome. At 16.
  2. by   javanurse2000
    Quote from kat911
    Wendy there is a principle called greater need. It is one of the few things a nurse can claim if she must leave a patient care area understaffed. You might consider filing a complaint against your facility for wrongful discharge. You can file with the Equal Employement Opportunity Commission. If you need to apply for unemployment benefits they are the ones to talk to about this situation. EEOC will assess if you had a legitimate need to remain where you were, with your kids. Sounds like you meet the standard for greater need.
    I have thought about this..I'll let you know.
  3. by   javanurse2000
    Quote from mackrn
    I am one of the nurses that gets stuck when my co-worker has a family emergency and has to stay home with her daughters. We looked it up on the schedules over the last 2 years have had to come in, stay late or change my schedule 41 times to accomodate her family needs. I had one and that was for my fathers funeral earlier this year. She complained that she missed a basketball game so told her would not change schedule, stay late or cover for her anymore. She has since given notice.

    As for affecting promotions, never have seen it affect promotions or pay raises.

    My question is, should we only hire single nurses without dependants so can decrease the excuses of not covering in times of need? I am sure damn tired of being the single nurse that is supposed to cover for the mother that has to stay home with their children.
    I would be tired of it, too. Please try not to lump all single parents together. To answer your question about hiring nurses without dependants - I think that's illegal. I don't think its legal for them to force you personally to cover this person 41 times in 2 years...is this being addressed at your work now?
  4. by   javanurse2000
    Quote from z's playa
    Yes..I know but it seems to me that people's bosses are telling them they have no choice. Yeah sure they have the choice to quit their job but wow...what a choice! I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    I will look into how illegal it is though. Here its legal for 14 year olds to babysit. At least I hope so since I've ben babysittig since i was 13. (with the babysitting course or not) Ice storm or no ice storm.

    Please remember it isnt about who's right or who isn't. Just different ways of doing things.
    Dear Z's playa: This was a difficult call so I asked everybody else what they would do and why. Personally, I was "left to fend" for myself at a young age...although I survived my teenage years I have several friends who didn't. Because it would be difficult to describe my son's level of function I left out the fact that he has a very mild cerebal palsy....it has more caused social delays than anything else although there are the obvious gross motor and speech issues. This condition is again so mild I had difficulty with the Dx. He gets no special tx and qualifies for no special classes. His IQ is just at 100. Still, even without this, I have to say that as a single mom you draw the line....and then re-draw it and re-draw it. I can't anymore. My kids do come first as in my own heart I see fit to raise them....if I am a little more protecting than others maybe its because I've seen more horrors than others. I don't feel I have to toughen them up...the world will do that soon enough. Thank you for your input and try the funnel cake recipe...hot oil. adult supervision (ha ha)
  5. by   ~Kitty~
    Good for you Wendy!
    ITA that we don't have to toss our babies to the wolves.
    I also won't toss them in to learn to swim, etc.
  6. by   unknown99
    Quote from mackrn
    I am one of the nurses that gets stuck when my co-worker has a family emergency and has to stay home with her daughters. We looked it up on the schedules over the last 2 years have had to come in, stay late or change my schedule 41 times to accomodate her family needs.

    My question is, should we only hire single nurses without dependants so can decrease the excuses of not covering in times of need? I am sure damn tired of being the single nurse that is supposed to cover for the mother that has to stay home with their children.
    Granted 41 times is alot of times. However, sounds to me like you had a choice, and CHOSE to accomodate her family needs.
    Also, if no one chose to hire single mothers, then there would be a HUGE percent of unemployed single mothers. Of course, that might be okay, if you would like for your tax dollars to go even higher so you can help pay for these unemployed single mothers and their chidren.
    I am a married nurse with children. I usually do not have to take off, but if I do, it is because the kids are ill. Are you going to suggest that no one hire nurses if they have children, even if they are married?? Married or not, that is discrimination.
    Personally, I am sick and tired of being the one to have to work a double every Friday or Saturday that I work because the young, single nurse with no kids calls off so she can go party!!!!!
  7. by   mackrn
    Quote from nursewendy2000
    I would be tired of it, too. Please try not to lump all single parents together. To answer your question about hiring nurses without dependants - I think that's illegal. I don't think its legal for them to force you personally to cover this person 41 times in 2 years...is this being addressed at your work now?
    Well I started refusing to cover for her or letting my schedule be altered to accomodate her and she then called in 2x so could be available for events she had asked for, but was supposed to be on call. She has given notice.
  8. by   tmiller027
    Quote from mackrn
    I am one of the nurses that gets stuck when my co-worker has a family emergency and has to stay home with her daughters. We looked it up on the schedules over the last 2 years have had to come in, stay late or change my schedule 41 times to accomodate her family needs. I had one and that was for my fathers funeral earlier this year. She complained that she missed a basketball game so told her would not change schedule, stay late or cover for her anymore. She has since given notice.

    As for affecting promotions, never have seen it affect promotions or pay raises.

    My question is, should we only hire single nurses without dependants so can decrease the excuses of not covering in times of need? I am sure damn tired of being the single nurse that is supposed to cover for the mother that has to stay home with their children.

    Yes and we should start by contacting all nursing schools and tell them not to enroll ANY students with dependents. That would nip this whole problem in the bud.

    And if anyone decides to try and get clever and have kids AFTER school. Well, we have the BON just pull their license. We need to make these people an example. :hatparty:

    Added: Though if someone does already have kids and really wants to be a nurse, states can start a "Kids for Nurses" program where you trade in your children so you can go to nursing school.
    Last edit by tmiller027 on Feb 9, '05
  9. by   tmiller027
    Quote from tmiller027
    Yes and we should start by contacting all nursing schools and tell them not to enroll ANY students with dependents. That would nip this whole problem in the bud.

    And if anyone decides to try and get clever and have kids AFTER school. Well, we have the BON just pull their license. We need to make these people an example. :hatparty:

    Oh, and before I forget....what we REALLY need to do is when you enroll in nursing school, without any children of course...include the cost of contraceptive surgery with tuition. Spay an neuter these people because health care workers have no business having kids. PATIENTS COME FIRST!!!!
  10. by   z's playa
    Quote from nursewendy2000
    Dear Z's playa: This was a difficult call so I asked everybody else what they would do and why. Personally, I was "left to fend" for myself at a young age...although I survived my teenage years I have several friends who didn't. Because it would be difficult to describe my son's level of function I left out the fact that he has a very mild cerebal palsy....it has more caused social delays than anything else although there are the obvious gross motor and speech issues. This condition is again so mild I had difficulty with the Dx. He gets no special tx and qualifies for no special classes. His IQ is just at 100. Still, even without this, I have to say that as a single mom you draw the line....and then re-draw it and re-draw it. I can't anymore. My kids do come first as in my own heart I see fit to raise them....if I am a little more protecting than others maybe its because I've seen more horrors than others. I don't feel I have to toughen them up...the world will do that soon enough. Thank you for your input and try the funnel cake recipe...hot oil. adult supervision (ha ha)

    Oooooooh...........I understand more why you were so reluctant to leave him now.
  11. by   unknown99
    Quote from tmiller027
    Oh, and before I forget....what we REALLY need to do is when you enroll in nursing school, without any children of course...include the cost of contraceptive surgery with tuition. Spay an neuter these people because health care workers have no business having kids. PATIENTS COME FIRST!!!!
    As my mother--(who was a fine nurse!!! and had kids!!!!) would say---
    Sarcasm is for angry people who have issues in their own life, and need to find a new one!!!
  12. by   tmiller027
    Quote from sagarcia210
    As my mother--(who was a fine nurse!!! and had kids!!!!) would say---
    Sarcasm is for angry people who have issues in their own life, and need to find a new one!!!
    Well, I guess that would also apply to angry people who like to cast judgement and practically condemn a single mom who is doing her best to take care of her kids.

    Oh, and I'm not angry, I'm quite happy actually. :hatparty:


    and I like this smiley :hatparty:
  13. by   pediatriclpn
    :hatparty: :hatparty: :hatparty: :hatparty: I like the smileys I like sarcasm I no like angry people
    I did like the bits of sarcasm. :chuckle

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