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Nov 26, 2009 08:26 PM

Q4-6

by Tait Staff

Another nurse and I were just discussing this. What really is the point of putting QXhours-Xhours??

Anyone have a rationale behind this system?

Tait


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Old Nov 26, 2009, 08:39 PM

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What is Q4-6? Sorry just courious.
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Old Nov 26, 2009, 08:41 PM

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I would say they work to allow the nurse some discretion/judgment in adiministering. When range orders are written, you are supposed to start at the lowest dose and longest frequency. (I think it's a TJC thing. Some facilities don't allow them anymore.) So, you would start at the longest interval (q6h), and proceed to the shorter interval as needed. I usually see it in conjuction with a dose range, such as 1-2 Percocet q6-8h PRN. That gives the nurse some leeway in deciding how to best treat a pt's pain. Start off with 1 perc q8h and go from there.

I do see your point, though. They could just write q4h, since most range orders are for PRN's anyway. It's probably just a habit.

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Old Nov 26, 2009, 08:49 PM

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At my hospital, if a doctor writes an order for q4-6 hours, pharmacy enters the order as q4 hours. To me, it really doesn't make sense to give a range of times when ordering a prn medication.
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Old Nov 26, 2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by catshowlady View Post
I would say they work to allow the nurse some discretion/judgment in adiministering. When range orders are written, you are supposed to start at the lowest dose and longest frequency. (I think it's a TJC thing. Some facilities don't allow them anymore.) So, you would start at the longest interval (q6h), and proceed to the shorter interval as needed. I usually see it in conjuction with a dose range, such as 1-2 Percocet q6-8h PRN. That gives the nurse some leeway in deciding how to best treat a pt's pain. Start off with 1 perc q8h and go from there.

I do see your point, though. They could just write q4h, since most range orders are for PRN's anyway. It's probably just a habit.


TJC?

This is kind of what we were thinking, however we weren't really taught to range it like you said (lowest, longest etc). I guess I am not sure where the common sense came from to start small and slow and then ramp up.
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Old Nov 26, 2009, 09:28 PM

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This is the way my hospital does it now too. We don't allow time ranges for PRNs any more. I think pharmacy is now calling docs at home for this type of order to get order clarifications. I don't understand the rationale of the time periods to begin with. Trust me, if my patient is wigging out, and it says Ativan 2 mg Q4-6, they're getting it Q4... duh. If I don't need to give it, no biggie.

Originally Posted by cardiacmadeline View Post
At my hospital, if a doctor writes an order for q4-6 hours, pharmacy enters the order as q4 hours. To me, it really doesn't make sense to give a range of times when ordering a prn medication.
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Old Nov 26, 2009, 10:29 PM

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[quote=Tait;3993971]TJC?

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The Joint Commission. They apparently don't like to be called JCAHO anymore. *shrug*

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Old Nov 26, 2009, 11:04 PM

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Doctors write orders like that appropriately all of the time for outpatients and it carries over to in the hospital.
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Old Nov 26, 2009, 11:30 PM

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[quote=catshowlady;3994028]
Originally Posted by Tait View Post
TJC?

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The Joint Commission. They apparently don't like to be called JCAHO anymore. *shrug*


Sometimes I think people measure progress and pat themselves on the back for completing something by basically just renaming it.

Tait
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Old Nov 27, 2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by halutz_kudos View Post
What is Q4-6? Sorry just courious.

Every 4-6 hours
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