Pushing drugs for the Man bother anyone? - page 12

Hello All. I'm a newbie taking prereqs for a BSN. I just have one big nagging concern :uhoh3: keeping me from fully committing to the program. I want to help people, but I feel that the... Read More

  1. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Less likely doens't mean unlikely. I've seen plenty of very healthy people suffer from disease and illness-and yes, heart disease. Take a stroll down any CVICU. Most, if not ALL of the patients were at a normal healthy weight at the one I worked at for 10 years.

    And they still need their drugs. Hopefully given by a nurse who doesn't put her emotions above that of the patient.
    Who said "less likely" means never or even unlikely? When I said less likely, I meant less likely.

    I was referring to straight up statistics on who gets cardiovascular disease. I didn't even mention certain cancers which are less likely to occur in those who eat a healthy diet and exercise.

    Obviously, patients need their drugs. I'm not quite sure what you are saying to my last post, especially about emotions of the nurse?
    Last edit by Multicollinearity on Nov 13, '07
  2. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from nursemike
    Fact is, bad health and disease will happen to everyone.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't take care of ourselves. The day may come when I will wish I could trade all of the "pleasure" I ever got from smoking for one more day of life. And I say "pleasure" because there are moments when it truly is, but many more when it's just a stupid habit.

    I don't think the day will ever come when I'll feel another decade of life would be worth never having had a really good steak and a beer, although hardly a day goes by that I don't resolve to be more moderate in my diet and motivated in my exercise (I actually am pretty moderate in my alcohol consumption, and I think my enjoyment justifies the empty calories.)

    But given that we're all gonna die, I'm not planning to switch to a diet of blue-green algae and boiled tofu to fit in a smaller coffin.
    Well, it's your choice, and your choices are to be respected. There are no guarantees. I was simply referring to statistics and reducing risk.
  3. by   GadgetRN71
    Quote from multicollinearity
    Obviously, bad health and disease can happen to anyone, healthy habits or not. However, I do see quite a bit of rationalizing poor eating habits and lack of exercise in this thread. I can't remember who brought up bacterial contamination of fruits and veggies as an excuse...come on.

    Fact is, you are much less likely to have cardiovascular disease if you are a healthy weight and if you exercise.
    That was me who brought that up and I like veggies-I almost never eat fast food either. But, I was merely pointing out that just because something says it's "Organic" doesn't mean it's automatically healthy. And I still say that many people that are into healthfood and alternative "medicine" develop a very evangelical approach and start turning their noses up at anyone who like a nice steak, or a few drinks, or yes, even the dreaded donut now and then. I'm not the one who contaminated the spinach with poop, just pointing out that it happened. I still ate fruits and veggies just stayed away from those two items for awhile. Also, the OP mentioned that marijuana was "Good"...HMMM, guess that an impaired nurse is better than a fat one in her eyes.
  4. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from WitchyRN
    That was me who brought that up and I like veggies-I almost never eat fast food either. But, I was merely pointing out that just because something says it's "Organic" doesn't mean it's automatically healthy. And I still say that many people that are into healthfood and alternative "medicine" develop a very evangelical approach and start turning their noses up at anyone who like a nice steak, or a few drinks, or yes, even the dreaded donut now and then. I'm not the one who contaminated the spinach with poop, just pointing out that it happened. I still ate fruits and veggies just stayed away from those two items for awhile. Also, the OP mentioned that marijuana was "Good"...HMMM, guess that an impaired nurse is better than a fat one in her eyes.
    Ok, that makes sense. After reading so many pages of this thread, I probably lost the context with your specific comment. I agree that some can become evangelistic and unyielding about all things "natural." I have a friend this way and she can drive me nuts at times - and I'm consistent and disciplined with a healthy lifestyle, good nutrition, and exercise myself...it's just not a 'religion' to me.

    Also, I missed that the OP said that about marijuana! Yikes.
    Last edit by Multicollinearity on Nov 13, '07
  5. by   nursemike
    Quote from jlsRN
    Nurse Mike,
    There is a happy medium between eating a calorie laden, high cholesterol, high sugar diet, and eating spirulina and tofu. It's called sensible eating and a moderate lifestyle and it does have benefits to the whole person.
    I think we're in basic agreement, here. Being healthy and fit not only tend to extend life--they tend to improve the quality of life. I'm all for moderation. I'm also a big believer in doing something versus doing nothing. A fat person who walks every day is likely to be healthier than one who doesn't. And I'm not advocating a steady diet of Big Macs and fudge.

    Truthfully, I could go the rest of my life without eating another donut. I like donuts, but I don't love them. If I have to chose between donuts and beer, where'd I put that bottle opener?

    But I do have trouble being patient with the attitude that Western civilization, Western medicine, or Western Swing music are evil. It isn't a perfect world. It never will be. If we all move to a monastary in Tibet, it will still be an imperfect world.
  6. by   FireStarterRN
    :beercupheWell I'm not giving up beer and wine, that's for sure. I told our hospitalist this weekend that if I'm admitted, please do the decent and civilized thing and include a glass of red wine before dinner in my doctor's orders, thank you very much!

    :beercuphe
  7. by   RNperdiem
    In the end, the human mortality rate remains unchanged at 100%. I read someone who described modern people as those who believe death is optional. If someone dies it is their fault for not eating proper food or exercise-death becomes your fault.
  8. by   David's Harp
    Quote from RNperdiem
    In the end, the human mortality rate remains unchanged at 100%. I read someone who described modern people as those who believe death is optional. If someone dies it is their fault for not eating proper food or exercise-death becomes your fault.
    Or, someone who feels it's someone else's fault, and nothing will remedy the situation quite like a cash settlement. Either way, it's certainly not inevitable.
  9. by   somebody
    Quote from NancyNurse08
    I also want to point out, "Somebody", that I find your attitude quite condescending. You appear to be under the mistaken impression that you are enlightening all of us with your knowledge. As if I haven't heard all of this before. I was raised as a vegetarian. We only ate organic. I was "deprived" as a child of processed foods with preservatives, sugary cereals, fast food, and yes, donuts. You are not saying anything I haven't heard before.

    You seem very judgmental, yet you are just beginning your education and don't have the knowledge to back up your judgment. I would suggest you keep an open mind and learn before you start judging the nursing profession.

    Why did I become a nurse? Because I am an idealist and I care. I think you'll find that to be the case with many of the nurses here.
    You obviously have no idea what kind of education I have had. The many years of "higher education" I've had have not educated me. The real education I value is what I taught myself in the last few years from reading hundreds of books (of my own choosing), from scouring the internet, thinking critically, rationally, and intuitively, observing the world, and trying to see through bias and hidden agendas. If I go to nursing school I expect to be "educated" about nursing, not about life or what is really going on in the world.
  10. by   somebody
    Quote from WitchyRN
    That was me who brought that up and I like veggies-I almost never eat fast food either. But, I was merely pointing out that just because something says it's "Organic" doesn't mean it's automatically healthy. And I still say that many people that are into healthfood and alternative "medicine" develop a very evangelical approach and start turning their noses up at anyone who like a nice steak, or a few drinks, or yes, even the dreaded donut now and then. I'm not the one who contaminated the spinach with poop, just pointing out that it happened. I still ate fruits and veggies just stayed away from those two items for awhile. Also, the OP mentioned that marijuana was "Good"...HMMM, guess that an impaired nurse is better than a fat one in her eyes.
    Haven't you, a nurse, ever heard of medical marajuana? In California, Oregon, and other states the voters passed propositions to legalize it for medical use. Are you actually unaware of the medical benefits? I am amazed. Or are you just trying to stir things up by implying that I condone its recreational use by working nurses?
  11. by   somebody
    This is what I am talking about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
  12. by   txspadequeenRN
    i don't know how i'm getting played..i'm the one getting the free pens...



    Quote from somebody


    i sure hope a lot of you who like getting free pens and the other bribes are kidding. don't you realize you are being played?!

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  13. by   Diahni
    Quote from ERRNTraveler
    If you were 100% sure that you SAW yourself get bitten by a flea and not a tick, why didn't you share this information with the doctor??? When a physician is only given half the story, he/she has to consider all the possibilities, and, without knowing what you knew, a tick bite was certainly a possibility. Perhaps his/her medical reccommendations would have been more appropriate for a flea bite if you had actually shared the fact that you saw yourself being bitten by a flea.....
    ERRN - I did "share" the info, but he was an older guy not used to actually listening to a patient. Matter 'o fact I insisted.
    Diahni

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