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No. 30
Old Nov 11, 2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
My fiance is a police officer and although he is against drugs nad violence and all of those horrible things of course he still has to do his job, and he is not contributing to these things that he is against of course but still has to work with ppl who do horrible things,,, hes not contributing to the problem he is making the community a better place!

I am currently in education, I teach students right now who say terrible things to eachother, who have beat up other kids, have done things i disagree with, but when they need help with their scoolwork i help them,,, im not contributing to these things that i disagree with and i do have the chance to help thm make good decisions in the future...

So then I am to take this that it must be ok to work with kids or adults who sin against God willingly by drugs/violence/what have you, but it's not ok to take care of women who choose to end a babies life (and so sin in your eyes). -again the problem with certain religious types of ppl. They think that they have the right to decide whether a sin is "big or little."
To me, this makes you the judge of what is acceptable in God's eyes vs. what isn't. To God, sin is sin. It matters not if the person has ended the life of a child or simply told a lie. In God's eyes, all things are equal, and "blasphemy is the only sin unto death."
I'm not attempting to start an arguement. I simply stand by my earlier statement that perhaps you should reconsider your thoughts to enter nursing. If you're unable to lay aside prejudice at the door when you clock in, then you're actually unable to be a good nurse.
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No. 31
from hiddencat
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:04 PM

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I think it would be possible to find an OB position where your employer would be accommodating to your beliefs, but I would avoid the ER. In the ER you will have emergent cases and there might not always be time to shuffle staffing around so that you don't have to participate in any way in a procedure you find morally wrong.

I'm not sure how things are different in Canada though.

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No. 32
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:19 PM

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Answer me this, do you think nurses should be forced to assist in abortion procedures?
That is my concern, nothing else,, so instead of going on and on about wht kind of person you think I am focus on my point there... and i truthfully believe that murder is not thesme as telling a lie,, but i gues thats the difference between catholicicsm and other christian faiths and we both have theright to have our own opinions on that, and this website isnt about that
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No. 33
from hiddencat
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
Answer me this, do you think nurses should be forced to assist in abortion procedures?
That is my concern, nothing else,, so instead of going on and on about wht kind of person you think I am focus on my point there... and i truthfully believe that murder is not thesme as telling a lie,, but i gues thats the difference between catholicicsm and other christian faiths and we both have theright to have our own opinions on that, and this website isnt about that
No, I don't think nurses should be forced to perform abortion procedures, although perhaps there are emergency situations where an abortion is needed immediately to save the life of the mother (dunno what that would be, just thinking). In a dire emergency situation, I think providing care to save the patient's life is paramount.

I'd like to add that I am fiercely, without apology prochoice. But I don't think nurses should be forced to perform abortions if it violates their beliefs.

The response to this thread is interesting, as I've always heard that nurses are more likely to be prolife than doctors and than an issue in accessibility to abortions is lack of nursing staff willing to participate.
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No. 34
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:37 PM

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I am not saying the life of te baby is more important thanthe life of the mothers in a situation like that, however i do not believe that the life of the mother is more important than that of te child either,,,, obviously these situations are terrible and i feel awful for anybody having to go through that, but i still would have to decline taking part in the procedure. I could take care of the patient afterwards but an abortion is an abortion and regardless of the situation what they do to that baby is the same.
I dont believe in taking a life to save another. Now, in situations like an ectopic pregnancy where the baby will die no matter what, i do believe that you need to save the mother.. if one life and one life only can be saved then that is what you must do of course... but the Catholic church also believes in doing this in a way that is not a direct attack on the childs life (removing the tube,, but not aborting) ...
So you obviously believe that peple should not have to participate if it violates their beliefs, then what was with the long message saying what an awful person i am?
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No. 35
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:38 PM

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Why bring in the fact that you are catholic but do not follow som of the basics of being catholic? I think all you need to say is that you are pro-life. If you don't want to take part in any part of an abortion then don't. No one can make anyone do something they don't want to or believe in. When you become a nurse I am sure that will come up and you will not be the only one who refuses.

I am pro-choice but would I want to participate in an abortion? probably not but I support their decision. I would have more problem caring for the goy who just killed 13 soldiers than I would a post op abortion.

You define what kind of nurse you want to be, find a job that supports you in that.
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No. 36
from hiddencat
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
So you obviously believe that peple should not have to participate if it violates their beliefs, then what was with the long message saying what an awful person i am?
You must be confusing me with another poster. My post was short and I said nothing about you being an awful person.
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No. 37
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:49 PM

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I did confuse it with another post I am very sorry..
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No. 38
from hiddencat
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
I did confuse it with another post I am very sorry..
No worries. It's a hard topic to discuss clear-headedly.
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No. 39
from Julz034
Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
Answer me this, do you think nurses should be forced to assist in abortion procedures?
That is my concern, nothing else,, so instead of going on and on about wht kind of person you think I am focus on my point there... and i truthfully believe that murder is not thesme as telling a lie,, but i gues thats the difference between catholicicsm and other christian faiths and we both have theright to have our own opinions on that, and this website isnt about that
I understand you here. I do NOT think that nurses should be forced in being there during an abortion, not if it goes against beliefs or religion. I would go to bed every single night with guilt, knowing I assisted in murdering an innocent child's life. I am an adopted child and so greatful, I believe there are other options than abortion. However, I doubt if you will ever have a choice if you want to work OB. I've never heard of an ER performing an abortion. Maybe dealing with the infections, etc., that can occur afterwards, but never heard of one being performed in the actual ER.

I hate all these posts saying we shouldn't be in the healthcare field if we can't do this! Whatever!! Be a little more open-minded and have some RESPECT for beliefs and religions, if you can't then YOU shouldn't be in the health care field, as a nurse anyway! That's what you focus a lot of on in nursing 101 is learning about all the different backgrounds and religions you may face with your patients.

Luckily, I'm going into psych, this won't be something I deal with on a DAILY basis, or even regular basis, but being I want to work with children, and teens, I'm sure I will run into quite a few whom are pregnant, want to abort, or parents want them to abort, but my role is to make sure they understand all the risks and benefits, and to provide deep, emotional, one-on-one counseling with the teen to make sure this is what she wants to do. If I can save a life, it'd make my day. However, everyone has their own opinions, they're rights, and that's fine, but... I will NEVER be there when that takes place. If I'm picking and choosing patients, so be it, but this is completely against what I believe in. WWJD? In my eyes... wouldn't be to kill a child he just put in that mothers womb. Things happen for a REASON, who knows why, but to me if it's there, maybe it's meant to be. I was a young mother at 15, and while yes, it's been hard, I've got by. My daughter is following in my footsteps, looks up to me, is a great well-rounded child, and is going to be very successful in life. I hope to use my story as motivation for other teens down the road.
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