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No. 20
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:16 PM

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thats okay,, I don't agree with EVERYTHING in the Catholic church, I support gay rights. And i do support BC as long as it doesn't allow conception to happen and then cause an early abortion, and i know the church does not agre with birth control, but i do think that that is not even on the same page as abortion. I guess there are alot of options out there and I do not think it would be a problem for me to find work in the future if i decide on nursing becuase there are SOOO many options. I know alot of doctors nad nurses who are religious/pro life (not that you have to be religious to be against abortion) and have had long lasting careers, but then I hear certain things that makes me worry.
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No. 21
from PurpleLVN
Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
preventing a life from being created is different than ending one that has begun...
If you're being honest, both methods-BC and abortion are preventing what's divinely ordered by God. But I don't want to judge here. I truly suggest that you find employment in an environment where you are not as exposed to practices that would offend you beliefs.
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No. 22
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:49 PM

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Are you suggesting that that is possible within nursing? or to forget about nursing altogether
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No. 23
from feebebe23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 03:57 PM
Updated Nov 11, 2009 at 03:59 PM by feebebe23

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I have been an L&D nurse for 8 years. I have NEVER been forced to participate in an abortion. I simply make it known to my employer what my stance is and that's it. Done deal. Let's deal with some other issues. If a patient presented to the ER 24 hours post abortion with severe abdominal pain and fever of 103.4 you would have NO LEGAL grounds on which to refuse that patient assignment. None. If a nurse who works at an abortion clinic gets shot walking to her car after work and is brought to your ER. You would have no legal grounds to refuse to be her nurse. If you refuse either of these scenarios you would like be fired and possibly turned into the board.

Next issue. You work in L&D and you happen to know that there is a patient on the unit who is terminating a pregnancy for trisomy 13. How do you treat your co-worker caring for that patient? Are you nice and friendly as always? What if that patient's spouse comes to the desk and asks for a blanket and pillow? Will you assist him in a friendly and professional manner? That same patient's husband comes to the desk an hour later and is frantic, "something's wrong with my wife, please help, we need some help!!" Do you go in the room and provide assistance. Same patient delivers and has a PPH....they need your help in the OR, they need you to draw labs or run and get blood from the blood bank. There are all very real scenarios that you need to think about.

My stance is this....I will not personally give a medication that induces an abortion. That's it. All other scenarios that I have previously mentioned I would absolutely assist.

You state that you are not against BC as long as it is not ab inducing. Does that mean you would not assist in an IUP placement immediately after delivery?

Also, since you state that there are no catholic hospitals in your area you will also have to reconcile within your self the concept that you will work for an employer that generates an income from providing abortion services. I know of no hospital that is not church affiliated that does not provide terminations within the scope of the law for infants with non-compatible with life diagnosis.

My point is you would really have to decide within yourself what your personal boundaries are.
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No. 24
from PurpleLVN
Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JayMar23 View Post
Are you suggesting that that is possible within nursing? or to forget about nursing altogether
No, I'm not...There are lots of areas in your nursing career to choose from that wouldn't expose you to abortion. It's just that working in the OR or OB just might put you in that position. A patient may be admitted with complications after having an abortion, another patient may come in for a scheduled abortion for many reasons, etc.
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No. 25
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:33 PM

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Well, our tax dollars even in Canada already do go to abortion and i have no choice but to have a job to feed and suport myself and have no choice but to pay taxes...so i guess that takes care of that question. I am not in scool yet, i have to ask you ,what is trisomy 13? iup? is that the sme as an iud? (iud i would not help with as they cause conception to continue happening and flush it out ofthe system) yes i would help the abortion nurse if i had to as much as i would disagree with what she does every day,, i wouldnt be contributing to an abortion by doing this,, yes i would treat my co-worker the same as always. I dont think treating them the same would go against my good conscience,
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No. 26
Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:49 PM

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I read this post and I'll be honest. I'm not sure what to even say or where to begin. I'll start by saying that if you don't want to ever be in a situation where you have to make a choice like this, then stay out of nursing. My personal beliefs are simply that...my personal beliefs. I have taken care of many a sick pt that has made choices that I disagree with, but it's not my job to judge them. I once had to take care of a man who abused a young child and ended up with me b/c the father beat the living s*&* out of him. However, I didn't refuse the pt simply b/c he was a child molester.
And yes, I am religious. I come from a religious background. However, I find that some of the most intolerant ppl ever are those that claim to be religious. What if that young woman who just took the life of her unborn child needs someone to show her the way to God. If you are too busy judging that soul for having an abortion, you might find that you lose the opportunity to maybe help a hurting soul that just needs to know someone cares.
Long story short. I don't believe that nursing is a field for intolerant ppl. If you find yourself to be that person, then maybe you should choose a different field.
And sorry if I offended anyone, but if you have your view, then I have mine-and this is it.
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No. 27
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:56 PM

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I am not intolerant. I could care for ANYBODY i jsut do not want to take part in abortion procedures. I agree with you that I could help somebody who had made that choice afterward,, if i had met somebody who had an abortion in the past who was going thru a hard time because of that decision and needed somebody to talk to I would be there for that person. I think God is forgiving and I think people can be sorry fortheir mistakes, and i do not think that I am a perfect person either. My statement was that I could not participate in an abortion procedure,, I realize many women (sadly) have abortions, i know several people from my hometown who have had them nad when they come say hi to me when i am home i have a friendly conversation with them no problem... I respect your views, and i do agree with you...
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No. 28
from JayMar23
Old Nov 11, 2009, 04:59 PM

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My fiance is a police officer and although he is against drugs nad violence and all of those horrible things of course he still has to do his job, and he is not contributing to these things that he is against of course but still has to work with ppl who do horrible things,,, hes not contributing to the problem he is making the community a better place!

I am currently in education, I teach students right now who say terrible things to eachother, who have beat up other kids, have done things i disagree with, but when they need help with their scoolwork i help them,,, im not contributing to these things that i disagree with and i do have the chance to help thm make good decisions in the future...
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No. 29
Old Nov 11, 2009, 05:23 PM

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Me and my friend are adamant pro-lifers as well. My friend works in l/d and never had a problem. Believe me if a situation comes up, she will definitely stand up, she is very outspoken about Christianity and her values. It can be done at least in the US, not sure about Canada (not sure about laws regarding this).

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