poverty level???

  1. I live in Oklahoma which cis supposed to be about number 49th in teacher salaries. I believe at my last recollection brand new teacher were starting out at about 29,000 a year. Now If Pattycakes and her husband are in fact teachers, and I do not mean of the Sunday School variety. Then they should be making at least 50,000 a year after 5 years in the profession. Teachers in our state do recieve yearly raises. They are not big ones but they are regular. Kind of like my annual 2% evaluation raise.
    With the level of destitution that poor patty is complaining of I am thinking more like Teachers Aide.......
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  3. by   fergus51
    Teachers here start at 30 000 a year and go up to 70 000 for principals, so I doubt a married teacher couple would qualify for welfare! (Nurses here go from 38- about 60 000)
  4. by   Mkue
    My Mom taught Kindergarten at a very small Catholic school, at that time she was only making between 17,000-20,000, mind you it was a very poor school. She had summers off and even used a lot of her own money for supplies for her class.

    She loved her job and sure didn't do it for the money.

    marie
  5. by   pattycake92
    I am not currently teaching because I just had a baby, and my other son is 4. I only made 1500 a month and felt that paying 900 to a daycare was stupid. Right now I tutor on the side. Yes we do quality for welfare on my husband's teaching salary. By the way my sister n law brought home 1500 every two weeks! After only 2 years in nursing school. In this area nurses do very well, and seem to really like their jobs! I really like the fact that nurses get paid for overtime. My husband works 3 nights out the week as a coach, and gets nothing for it. Any extra time or effort that is put into teaching is not rewarded (with money that is). I am not going into nursing for the money, if that was the case I would surely do something else. However, nurses do get paid for the time they put in. Whereas, I would be up till 2 or 3 at night grading papers and not see even a ham a christmas time! Just a christmas sticker on the outside of the envelope that my check was in I also like the fact that there are so many different areas in nursing. Whereas when you are teaching you are stuck in a classroom all day with out any adult conversation, and you can only teach your area etc.... With nursing, it seems like you can find an area that fits you. Anyway that is just my opinion.
  6. by   pattycake92
    This is a list from 98-99. These are averages so many make well below this. I live in MS. It takes about ten yrs. to get to 30 k per year.


    47
    Montana
    31,536

    48
    Oklahoma
    31,107
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    49
    Mississippi
    29,550


    50
    North Dakota
    29,002

    51
    South Dakota
    28,386


    Principals usually need their doctorate, and its not an easy job to handle or even find. Teaching can be rewarding, if you can take care of your family on that salary. My husband loves his job, I just did not think it was worth it, when you cry every time you see your paycheck.
  7. by   nurs4kids
    patti suddenly became educated....notice how the grammar changed?? go figure

    Patty,
    $900/mo for daycare???? That's a bit steep for this area, isn't it?? What part of Mississippi are you in?? I may be interested in sliding a little west for that big of a pay increase.
  8. by   babynurselsa
    I looked at the Mississippi Dept of Education Web site and found that the average teacher salary there is 31,913. So are most of the teachers there I guess averaging > 10 years in the profession? You said earlier that you have taught for 5 years, yet you aare only makingg about 21,000 aa year? Well it soounds like if you just stick it out for 5 more years then you are in for a big pay jump.
    Last edit by babynurselsa on Dec 31, '01
  9. by   nurs4kids
    " My aunt made $62,000 last year, working 2 days a week"
    "I brought home $1500 a month as a teacher"
    " I expect to get about a 15,000 dollar pay raise"
    "My sister-in-law makes $29/hr"

    The above were all things you've said over the past few days. Now it doesn't take an Algebra teacher to figure out that you're misled somewhere.

    $1500/month = $18,000/yr or $8.65/hr =(your teacher pay)

    $62,000/year = $5,167/month or $29.80/hr(for 40hrs/wk)
    However, if it's figured on 2 days per week (assuming 12h/day), then it comes out to $49.68/hr. = (your aunt's pay as a nurse)

    Nowwwwwwwww....where did your expectation of a 15k raise come from?? You are throwing numbers around that have absolutely no meaning or backing. No teacher with 5yrs experience is making less than $9/hr and no ASN bedside nurse is making $62k/yr working 2 days/week. Who are you trying to fool, us or yourself??? We're here, can't fool us..if you're trying to fool yourself then you'll just end up joining us whiners on this bb

    Another thing that's confusing. I really think you're just stirring the pot..spitting out info from your head. Do you think nursing is devoid of violence or abuse?? lol Do you think metal detectors are installed in ER's and in Main Entrances for the asthetics of the building?? Do you think parent's take their kids school business more serious than they do their kids life? If they're cussing you as a teacher, you just wait 'til you're their kid's nurse. Where do you think the gang-bangers end up when they've been shot? Where do you think the rival gang goes looking to "finish the job"?? Hint: it ain't at the local gameroom.
    Last edit by nurs4kids on Dec 31, '01
  10. by   nurs4kids
    Originally posted by pattycake92
    Whereas, I would be up till 2 or 3 at night grading papers and not see even a ham a christmas time! Just a christmas sticker on the outside of the envelope that my check was in I also like the fact that there are so many different areas in nursing. Whereas when you are teaching you are stuck in a classroom all day with out any adult conversation, and you can only teach your area etc.... With nursing, it seems like you can find an area that fits you. Anyway that is just my opinion.
    Honey, in nursing, you won't have to worry about a Christmas ham either. You may get lucky enough to eat the left-overs off a patient's tray as you run from room to room. That's as close to Christmas ham as you'll come (unless your family is nice enough to bring you some left-overs after they're finished celebrating WITHOUT you). You don't have time for conversation, be it juvenile or adult. Quality conversation in nursing consist of, "could you get 339 off the bedpan, please?".."sure, just as soon as I finish collecting Mr Aroma's stool sample..".."thanks, don't forget universal precautions, she's got a history of...".

    then again, that's just MY opinion I still love nursing...but to love it, you must be realistic of your expectations.
  11. by   traumaRUs
    Come on guys, don't be too hard on Patti - my husband is a teacher and makes 50K/year but is partially funded by the govt (he teaches JROTC). I made $52K this year, working full-time in a busy ER with lots of OT.

    In the ER where I work - I've been hit in the face (broke my glasses), spit on, pooped on, peed on, you name it. Fortunately, in Illinois it is now a felony to assault a health care provider - yeah.

    We need more nurses, but just make sure you totally understand what you're getting into. What about a transition job as a unit clerk, secretary, CNA, tech, etc? That would give you some real-life experience and you would be able to accurately decide if this is what you want to do.

    Good luck...judi
  12. by   grouchy
    I hate to continue the "whining", BUT... One of my disappointments with nursing is that I get far less in the way of intelligent adult interaction with my patients than I'd like. The vast majority of my patients are on the spectrum from early to late stages of dementia. Some of the alert ones are simply too sick to have much of a conversation. And I'm usually way too busy to do much chatting with my coworkers. I have met and enjoyed talking with some terrific patients and family members over the years. That has been one of the great pleasures of my job. (Although usually when I have these conversations I am simultaneously guiltily aware of how I can't afford to "waste" my time like this, because so many tasks are piling up undone). However, alot of my conversations with the confused elderly are not very rewarding. Just wanted to expose you to a little more reality.
  13. by   fergus51
    I like the idea that we get paid for all out overtime....I had to laugh a little. AS IF!
  14. by   colleen10
    Hi everyone,

    While I was reading the responses to this thread and the other thread "what are you complaining about?" I became somewhat disheartened. Because I am not currently a nurse but hope to go to Nursing School in the next year or so.

    But then I quickly realized that this board is solely dedicated to those in the Nursing profession. And of course, no one is completely happy with their job. Whether they be a business person, lawyer, retail worker, teacher, or nurse. If you stood on a street corner and asked each passerby if in their careers they thought they were respected enough, paid enough, and received enough benefits for what they deal with they would all probably tell you "no". Whether they be a business person, lawyer, retail worker, teacher, or nurse.

    The grass always "looks greener on the other side". There isn't a single secretary or office worker who hasn't looked at the "Plant Care Lady" that comes in to water the plants with envy. There isn't a single Nurse who hasn't looked at the stock person at their local Wal Mart with envy.

    For those that come to these websites and only see whining and complaining please take it with a grain of salt. This site is for nurses, about nurses and monitored by nurses so there will always be posts about bad working conditions. If this were a website for business people, lawyers, retail workers or teachers there would surely still be posts about bad working conditions.

    This board still offers a lot of good information and support and you should be encouraged to check out those posts if you are not concerned about venting and discussing your work conditions. However, please don't think that the nurses that come to this board to vent about low pay, over time, and too many patients are bad nurses. Everyone eventually "gets fed up" with their job and needs to "let loose". Despite low wages, huge case loads, and working overtime and during holidays, the nurses that vent are still in the nursing profession for one reason or another whether it be the patients or attempting to give the greatest quality of care they possibly can.

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