Posters that are not nurses - page 7

i'm going to keep this nice and polite i promise mods!:) i'm just hoping that one of the smart student/new nurse posters can answer this. i know that we have quite a few people on here that... Read More

  1. by   withasmilelpn
    I love teaching students and I love talking with them about their experiences at school. I like knowing what the latest techniques are. I also really like hearing from other healthcare diciplines. I think frankly that alot of things would go smoother if other departments had a general knowledge of what the other does. I have found out a lot of useful info by holding my tongue and finding out the whatfors and whys. People really do appreciate when you listen to them. It's give and take people!
    That being said, I have no time for insults- although venting is necessary for the soul!
  2. by   Anjann
    Ok, as a "newbie" RN, new grad, whatever you want to call it, I always preface any response I make in here with the comment that I am knew and would not ever dream of assuming I know more than any of the well-seasoned RN's in here, because I have no experience. But if someone is asking for help with a med-math question for example, I believe I am adequately qualified to respond.

    Secondly, how do you expect us to learn if we don't respond or ask questions? (when done in the appropriate manner). Like I said, I would NEVER be so bold as to assume to tell anyone in OB what I think they should do.

    The other part of this is that defining the kind of nurse you are going to be and setting your own personal parameters requires personal exploration and bouncing ideas and comments off of other people. It's part of the melding process. The nursing schools spend so much time drilling "nursing don'ts" like RE-CAPPING (which was an automatic failure on a skills check for us) into your head and then you go to clinical and see some of these practices being done, how are we supposed to respond to that? We are well aware of what is realistic in the hospital setting, but there is still a major conflict going on between what is being taught and what we are witnessing at times. I think half the people you are referencing are ignorant about their behavior or on a ego-trip, but the other half are truly just trying to define themselves as nurses and looking for feedback.

    That is my two cents, anyway.

    Now go ahead and blast me, because I know it's coming!
  3. by   jamonit
    i agree with you. it's unfortunate that we expect 'blastings' from our cohorts. i have spent my share of time reading this message board, different topics, different specialties, and it seems to me that it's a sad place if we write about our experiences from a student or new-nurse perspective and in turn get treated like we are being disrespectful to florence nightingale and the entire group of experienced nursing professionals.

    i've seen both new and experienced nurses do silly things (in my opinion) like start i.v.'s without wearing gloves, not triple checking meds before hanging/passing them, etc. but to single out any one group and say that they are know-it-alls or bad-bad nurses is ridiculous. we all make mistakes. to write about the things we experience should not be an open call to eat the young (or stomp on the old).

    umpiron: umpiron:
  4. by   Cattitude
    Quote from jamonit
    i just sat down and read each of the comments in this thread. for a non-"venting" thread, in general, this feels to me like a pseudo-bash on newbies and students. in a perfect world, those with the experience would be more respected, paid better, etc.--but students and new nurses would be respected for what they are as well. in my opinion, this thread just seems to continue to enforce the divide between us and them. us "newbies" and they "the experienced nurses." i know there is resentment that new nurses are able to jump right into the picu or oncology instead of "gaining needed experience" on med-surg floors or "paying [our] dues." that sort of discusion seems again to continue to enforce the divide between the new and not-as-new mentality and population of nurses. i say more power to you if you've done this job, done it well, and need to vent at times. us newbies sometimes need a good vent about you guys, or non-nurses sometimes need to vent about their experiences in healthcare.

    i just am tired of the sugar-coated ugliness that seems to seperate us--in real life and on this message board. let's respect one another's love for helping others, for wanting to continue to learn new ways of doing and thinking. aren't we all on the same team?
    it's funny how so many people can read these reponses and yet take them so differently. i don't see this as a pseudo bash threas at all. i actually see the general consensus being that fresh perspectives are welcomed from newbies. respect in presentation is all that's asked for and that's always a 2 way street.

    i enjoy working with students, wish i could do it more! as someone else already posted, i just don't want anyone that's not a nurse telling me i'm mean, have no compasssion, etc. just because i'm posting in a vent thread. that's it, simple...

    matter of fact, on a thread not too long ago, i asked a question of a new nurse about something being taught in schools now. she answered and i did learn at least something new that her school was teaching. very informative for me.
    we can all get along:d
  5. by   RNOTODAY
    I know I will get flamed for this.... but why is anyone , allowed to become a member of a NURSES bulletin board, if they are not a nurse? It says over and over again, that this is NOT a public forum, so why is it allowed? I personally come here for support, guidance and understanding from fellow NURSES. I think its just another example of how nurses are walked on, disrespected in general, and is an example of our "selfless" image... (which is bull, imo) I can bet you that you dont see other disciplines on a doctors bb, I can tell you that. Why? because it is not accepted. its just how I feel... if its a nursing board, at least try to keep it one. (meaning just for nurses... meaning REAL nurse, ie: LPN/RN/CRNA/NP) not students, not surgical technicians, not cna's, not home health aids, not personal care techs, not wives/husbands of nurses, not unit secretaries...thie list goes on!!!!
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from RNOTODAY
    I know I will get flamed for this.... but why is anyone , allowed to become a member of a NURSES bulletin board, if they are not a nurse? It says over and over again, that this is NOT a public forum, so why is it allowed? I personally come here for support, guidance and understanding from fellow NURSES. I think its just another example of how nurses are walked on, disrespected in general, and is an example of our "selfless" image... (which is bull, imo) I can bet you that you dont see other disciplines on a doctors bb, I can tell you that. Why? because it is not accepted. its just how I feel... if its a nursing board, at least try to keep it one. (meaning just for nurses... meaning REAL nurse, ie: LPN/RN/CRNA/NP) not students, not surgical technicians, not cna's, not home health aids, not personal care techs, not wives/husbands of nurses, not unit secretaries...thie list goes on!!!!

    This website is for the "Nursing Community" which encompasses all those you describe. I'm sure there are websites for what you describe as "real nurses" but this isn't one of those. I like that we are not that elite and can be a resource for those considering nurses and those close to nurses, and those retired or used-to-be-nurses because the community is a large one.

    That's a bit off topic and probably we should leave it at that and I encourage others in this thread to not respond further.
  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from Anjann
    The other part of this is that defining the kind of nurse you are going to be and setting your own personal parameters requires personal exploration and bouncing ideas and comments off of other people. It's part of the melding process. That is my two cents, anyway.

    Now go ahead and blast me, because I know it's coming!
    Why would you get blasted for expressing yourself honestly and maturely? That's a great post.

    We all go through a process as students and new grads in defining who we are and what we're going to be like as nurses.

    Personal exploration and bouncing ideas and comments off of other people is something entirely different than we are talking about here. It's the "how dare you recap your needle, what kind of nurse are you, I hope you never get stuck by a needle and get AIDs like my cousing who just died, how dare you be so wreckless, what a rotten nurse you are, I would never let you take care of a loved one of mine" that bothers us:roll :roll .
  8. by   Quickbeam
    I really don't mind non-nurses posting as long as they identify themselves. Then I understand they have a different perspective. I've learned a lot from the EMT and paramedic crowd here. I do tend to scroll through the "I'm a mother of a nurse" posts but that's the glory of the internet.

    I cut nursing students bags of slack since I remember it well. I have a special place in my heart for second careerists and latecomers. Wish I'd had the internet when I was a student (fossil here).
  9. by   LeahJet
    It gets really tiring because there are a couple (or a few) posters that always chastise us on vent threads. You know it's coming.... I find myself thinking....."I wonder when ole so 'n' so is going to swoop down with the self righteous indignation".
    They call us names and tell us we just need to quit because we probably aren't good nurses. They say we are judgemental, petty, and holier-than-thou.
    Hmmmm...sounds like we're not the only ones that are judgemental, petty, and holier-than-thou.
    I truly think the irony escapes them.
  10. by   CiCigirl
    Quote from DutchgirlRN
    It's a free country with freedom of speech and Thank God for that! I don't have a problem with anyone posting no matter their profession I just find it odd that non-nurses and non-nursing students join. I am a nurse and thats why I'm here and not on a real estate forum.

    OOOOOuuuuccchhh!!! :bowingpur
  11. by   Cattitude
    originally posted by dutchgirlrn
    it's a free country with freedom of speech and thank god for that! i don't have a problem with anyone posting no matter their profession i just find it odd that non-nurses and non-nursing students join. i am a nurse and thats why i'm here and not on a real estate forum.

    Quote from cicigirl
    ooooouuuuccchhh!!! :bowingpur
    i have mixed feelings about non nurses posting here. first, i have no problem with it in a general sense . but i too do find it odd that non nurses and non nursing students join. i mean i am interested in cooking and writing but wouldn't join a chef or author's site. and i certainly wouldn't post telling then how to do their job. i just wouldn't do that, i wouldn't feel comfortable.

    now this is certainly a lot different than nursing students posting here. they are soon to join the ranks and hopefully to gain a little bit of knowledge and wisdom and humor as well. and yes, maybe give some too!
  12. by   CiCigirl
    dutchgirlrn:

    reasons non-nurses and non-nursing students join the website/post on threads:

    1. although we are not nurses, we believe that we would one day like to be. therefore we are searching the tool we have most readily available (the web) in search of insight and info from experienced nurses.

    some of us, myself included, visit this and other websites, read books written by nurses about their experiences, chat with the nursing department at our colleges about requirements, strike up conversations with nurses, other nursing/pre-nursing students whenever we get the chance---all in an effort to get more info.

    2. we want to commiserate with other nursing students/pre-nursing students on the website about what to expect and how best to prepare.

    3. we (specifically, i) really appreciate the fact that there's someplace i can go to fill my constant desire (translate: obsession) for more info on the nursing career.

    4. fulfilling the requirements for an rn is going to take three calendar years (including pre-req's) out of my life. that's three years of full-time earning potential lost while i'm in school. not to mention the money that has to be shelled out (translate: pulled from my meager retirement account) to pay for the education.

    i consider myself and other nursing/pre-nursing students to be prudent decision-makers by thoroughly researching this career choice before we fully take it on. perhaps you think it would be better for nursing students/pre-nursing students to never view or post on a site like this (translate: never get insight, ask questions, get feedback) until after they become nurses??

    of course that is not to say that we shouldn't watch what we say as potential newcomers to the profession and have not yet walked a mile in a nurse's shoes. saying there is much to be learned is a huuuuuuge understatement. of course there is much to be learned. and i think the majority of us very well realize that.

    5. we want to be able to ask questions of experienced nurses. (what do you think about...what should i expect in...what did you guys do when this happened...how should i handle...etc., etc.)

    6. some of us are idealistic. and we want to read about what we think might be our :redpinkhe dream :redpinkhe job. we want to know as much about it as we can.:wink2:

    perhaps if you were interested in real estate (and you might be, i don't know) you might choose to investigate as much info as you could find on the topic in your desire to build your career in that field. if you chose to do that i'd be the last person to knock you. i'd commend your diligence on doing your homework-so to speak-and finding out everything you could possibly find out about it before you leapt head-first into a real estate related profession.

    athough i am not a nurse yet i am very experienced in other fields that i have explored since entering the working world. perhaps experienced in some fields that you know nothing about. and i'm sure the same can be said for you. lets all try our darndest to be respectful and appreciative of each other at all times and in all posts. after all, aren't we all in the same profession/looking to get into the same profession?

    i, for one, am deeply greatful for the existence of a website such as this. i love to hear about the day-to-day nuts and bolts of what goes on in the nursing profession. i feel like i get a complete spectrum of opinions on all kinds of issues from all kinds of people and thoroughly appreciate the insight. thanks allnurses.com! you're the bees knees!! :wink2:

    anybody else have anything to add to the list of reasons why non-nurses and non-nursing students join the website/post on threads? any reasons i missed?

    take care everybody!
  13. by   Cattitude
    Quote from cicigirl
    1. although we are not nurses, we believe that we would one day like to be. therefore we are searching the tool we have most readily available (the web) in search of insight and info from experienced nurses.

    i, for one, am deeply greatful for the existence of a website such as this. i love to hear about the day-to-day nuts and bolts of what goes on in the nursing profession. i feel like i get a complete spectrum of opinions on all kinds of issues from all kinds of people and thoroughly appreciate the insight. thanks allnurses.com! you're the bees knees!! :wink2:

    take care everybody!
    i was already pretty sure of these reasons being the more common ones of non nurses posting. again, it is truly hard to get across one's meaning on a message board . i will try. bottom line . there are some not nice people in real life and that sometimes extends to posting in this forum. i have not seen any of that in this thread.

    again, the issue is not of the posting in general, i and others i think have said that already. it's the rude, unsolicited remarks made. it's hard enough in real life to give constructive criticism, try and do it on a message board? really, nursing is always a learning process and my boss with 30 yrs exp. will ask me things, especially about acute care. we all come from different paths in life and can certainly benefit from each other. share in a positive way, that's all.:smilecoffeecup:

    you've done this well above!

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